[quote][b]matt1141a[/b] - @Username Required: Bigots? Its a privately owned company and you are obviously intolerant of their private owners religious beliefs?
If you dont like their private owners religious beliefs then dont spend your money there.
So your saying that the fellowship of christian athletes 'HATES' gay people?
They dont hate, they love...they simply are exercising their constitutional right to practice their religion...which says being gay is a sin. FCA doesn't hate sinners, in fact they welcome anyone to join, sinners included lol. Your ignorance and intolerance really shines through on this topic.
Are you trying to say the private owners of this company should be prohibited from exercising their constitutional right of freedom of religion?
The 1st amendment says you have freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.
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This entire post is too vapid to answer.

Try again if you wish. Thanks for playing.

@webbty80: Going slow in the fast lane is more dangerous than going fast in the fast lane.

@meandawg:

3) I am merely stating some of the alternatives to abortion. Those alternatives aren't pretty. I'm not saying that abortion is a solution to famine...you made a blanket statement that abortion is evil. I was simply pointing out that sometimes mothers choose abortion to avoid horrible conditions for their offspring...such as starvation. From that, I argued that sometimes abortion is preferable to the alternative.

4) People are going to continue to get pregnant when they shouldn't. Yes, abortion ends a human life, but so does starvation or being born and raised on meth and crack etc. I think that abortion is the more humane alternative in many many real cases.

If you know for a fact that your child is going to slowly starve to death (which many mothers do) and you have the choice 2 weeks into a pregnancy to avoid that suffering, then I contend that you are doing that "child" a huge favor.

@E.J.: I know, I was just playing along. The results of her hard work are pretty amazing. Good for her.

@meandawg:

1) Ok, I think we are just having a disagreement on semantics.

2) I was just trying to be realistic. The anti-choice folks carry around signs with pictures of third trimester fetuses and label them as being early first trimester. So, obviously, there is a difference when discussing the issue depending upon how developed the fetus actually is. I see a huge difference in aborting a sesame seed sized blob that is hardly developed and aborting a third trimester nearly viable fetus. If you think that the two are equal, then I'll just have to agree to disagree.

3) Of course abortion isn't a good thing. I think that is should only occur when the life of the mother is at risk or when the quality of life for the child is so poor (either from medical or environmental circumstances) that the abortion would be the more humane option. The reality, though, is that there are abortions that occur for many other reasons, and I think that having a legal and safe route for that is a good idea. I see this argument like I do the prohibition of drugs and prostitution arguments. Making something legal doesn't generally increase the occurrence, but it does make it much more safe. If abortion is made illegal then you will have women using wire hangers on themselves. This can kill not only the fetus, but the mother. If it isn't done correctly the fetus can be severely damaged and the abortion not even work. It's going to happen, so it might as well happen in the safest and most humane way possible.

Lastly...

Would you really argue that slowly dying of starvation in the African desert is preferable to an abortion? Is that not cruel to subject a child to such a life?

Also, where would you put all of the others? Orphanages and foster homes around the world are full to the brim. Most children who are aborted would have undoubtedly lived horrible lives full of suffering. I just can't look at the children in some of these pictures and think that they are better off in their present circumstance than they would have been if they were aborted when they were the size of a sesame seed. I couldn't live with myself knowing that I had sentenced a child to such a life.

@EdwardLTant: Perusing this historical information was quite interesting. Family of mine was involved in similar conquests. Thank you.

@webbty80: So you're the person that's always on 316 illegally driving in the left lane. Maybe you'll get pulled over for it eventually.

I love when one group of people who believe in make believe imaginary nonsense gets in a pis*ing contest with another group for believing in slightly different make believe imaginary nonsense and never even comes close to seeing the irony.

@EducateGeorgia:

[quote][b]raleturn[/b] - @Username Required: One often uses humor to deflect their lack of intellect.
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Yes, that's exactly what this is, because saying that abortion is a global Jewish conspiracy is so intellectual. I guess ya caught me.

@meandawg: Perhaps we have a semantic disagreement. I am saying that people don't want an abortion in the same way that people don't really want their mangled limb amputated. It's a means to an end. Nobody wakes up one day and says "I'd really like to have an abortion, let me go out and get pregnant." No one wakes up one day and thinks "I wonder how I could end up with an amputation today." But, in both cases, when the time comes, they "want" the amputation and the abortion because it's what's best for their circumstance. Neither is something that anyone gets any joy or satisfaction out of.

I think that you are saying that people want them in the sense that they willingly go to the clinic to have one performed. That's obvious. I don't think that anyone is arguing that people are kidnapped and forced to go to the clinics.

The origin of this is the use of "pro-abortion." I, and many others, think that that is disingenuous precisely for the reason that I stated above. It implies that people want them to happen and set a goal for them to happen.

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As for your "slaughterhouse" comment. You do realize that when 90% of abortions are performed the "baby" is between the size of a sesame seed and a grape and shaped like a tadpole, right? Is slaughterhouse really the most sane way to describe the removal of a sesame seed size embryo? Talk about sensationalist and melodramatic.

Also, for the vast majority of the abortions that you cite that occur each year....something like this is the alternative...

Is that really preferable to the sesame seed sized blob of cells having been removed? The abortion involves no suffering. The life of this child is complete suffering leading up to a slow and painful death.

I don't like either option, but I choose the lesser of two evils, which is abortion. If you prefer to sentence a child to a short life of suffering in order to fulfill some personal moral agenda, then so be it.

[quote][b]mkultra27[/b] - I am not a member of a cult.
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Of course you are. Nobody can ever see it when they are on the inside.

@meandawg: People want abortions? Slaughterhouses?

Wow...slooowly backing away from the crazy.

@raleturn:

Our criminal justice system is baffling sometimes.

You could literally commit a crime in front of 10 different video cameras and the entire U.S. Supreme Court and you would still get a trial where everyone has to pretend like they aren't sure if you really did it or not.

@slickmcdight: And poor women getting breast cancer screenings effects abortion rates how?

Pardon me for not seeing the connection.

[quote][b]grove600[/b] -
And you know this because he drove you to and from school. [/quote]

He only "drove" when it was "raining" (see above). They called him Mr. Pickles.

[quote][b]Treyinathens[/b] - @Username Required: Are you willing to call the occupy movement an overzealous minority holding extreme views?[/quote]

Yes.

[quote]And all of you know that once the money got to PP it was part of the big pie. There is not a specific account that says breast exams only.
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The funding was kept separate. The amount that came in for breast health is the amount that went out for breast health. Businesses and organizations allocate certain income / contributions for specific expenditures all the time.

Also, here is what Planned Parenthood does by percentage. People like you and @retiredandhappy: and @slickmcdight: make them out to be an "abortion mill" when that is by far the smallest fraction of what they do.

@retiredandhappy: Ah, you're one of the conspiracy theorists who think that they take the funds meant to provide the breast cancer screenings and use them for abortions.

Screw the poor women who don't have access to the exams elsewhere, let them die because OH MY GOD ABORTIONS! Right?

[quote][b]retiredandhappy[/b] - You think Ed drives or rides the short bus?
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When they go through the car wash they put him behind the wheel and tell him he's driving.

[quote][b]retiredandhappy[/b] - You know, when I donate money to finding a cure for cancer I sorta want it to go for finding a cure. Good day to you Komen foundation, don't bother looking for checks from me.
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You don't think that breast cancer screenings are worthwhile? Interesting.

[quote][b]Treyinathens[/b] - overzealous minority holding extreme views?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/more-americans-pro-life-than-pro-choic...
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Yes, it was an uninformed, vocal minority that thought that the money from SGK was going to abortions and not breast cancer screenings.

Aside from that, nobody is "pro-abortion", but some people, myself included, realize that outlawing the practice does more harm than good. Abortion will always exist, just as marijuana smokers and alcohol drinkers were not deterred by prohibition. What keeping abortion legal does is provide a much safer environment for the procedure to take place.

It would happen regardless, and people such as yourself would prefer that it happen in a back alley using a wire hanger.

My first inclination was that it must have been @EdwardLTant: , but then I saw that it was a full-size bus and realized that Ed only has experience with the short ones.

Well that didn't take long. Perhaps this will be a lesson to others when they start thinking about bowing to the pressures of an overzealous minority holding extreme views. That's generally not a very good formula for retaining widespread public support.

Hopefully they made the about-face quickly enough to avoid causing any true long term damage to their important mission.