[quote][b]EducateGeorgia[/b] -
Hmmmm??? I am curious to know what you think they are figthing for? honest question, no snark.
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Just two political parties fighting ea other for power from what I can tell. Doesnt matter who wins imo, democracy wont be the outcome either way. You can choose the current administration or the more religiously slanted rebel grp. More of a fight between religious factions than anything else. Personally, I dont think we should get involved in any way. Let it play out and see who wins and deal with them. The rebels have pretty much lost at this point unless we're willing to put in a ton of military aid along with military personnel. I only see this as a waste of our military and maybe even a path to further fighting if the Iranians get even more involved... since they announced today that they're sending 4k more troops to assist the Syrian govt.

edit: as an aside...reading thru a lot of the info about the sides in this fight makes me wonder why does the U.S. govt seem to love supporting grps that are 100% anti women's/gay/etc rights when it comes to the middle east? And why are they never called on it?

First off, Im very conservative in my views and generally follow the rules in place. If you dont like the rules, then try to get them changed. Dont go around them or break them due to wants/desires. The same exact thing is being said by illegal immigrants and most conservatives are against that (me included). Just funny to see conservatives in the media and here for that matter be against one grp breaking the rules and then turn around and be all happy happy joy joy for another breaking them.

The end all be all is that there are too many ppl in the world to allow a few to break the rule. Watch now as tons of ppl toss in law suits for the same exact thing and yet more ppl get skipped over for transplants for others that jump into the legal arena. Soon to come...lawyers on tv...need a transplant?one call that's all. Once you break the rule for one or two, the rule might as well cease to exist.

gassing Kurds...ok gassing Syrians...not so much

[quote][b]Shalmaneser[/b] - "The problem Ms. Sebelius must now grapple with is that she publicly declined to waive the rules for a deathly ill little girl whose life could have easily been saved. As a result, Americans are now aware that the Secretary of Health and Human Services is has no problem handing over helpless little girls and boys, who would otherwise be saved, to premature death."
Meanwhile, someone else dies who would have gotten those lungs.
Organ transplantation inevitably involves deciding who may live and who will die. [/quote]

while I rarely agree with anything shalmaneser has to say, Ive been wondering the same thing. Yay the sick little girl lives...what about the adult that now gets to die for her? Havent heard jack about that.

my wife and I have always split the chores and, when the babies came along, split that too. Just makes sense to spread the load as you go. We also try to help ea other out when one of us is more tired than normal. It's that type of stuff that makes marriages work imo. When the load falls on one person, there cant help but be bitterness generated.

.....guess she and her brother will get a nice comfy juvy stay for lying about the whole deal. Turns out they lied and she was shot at close range....by the brother. Guess they didnt watch enough NCIS or something.

Oh, the irony. It burns. Yes in an equal society gays will have just as much of a platform to proselytize to you as televangelists and people like the Tate preacher. I don't predict gays will start "evangelizing" homosexuality, but even if they do.... whats it to you?

...I dont have a horse in this race either way. I personally dont care what either side believes. I will, however stand up for both sides to have the right to have their own beliefs without forcing them to accept the beliefs of the other. A lot of religious grps(not just Christian grps) count homosexuality as a sin and believe that backing organizations allowing homosexuality puts their stamp of approval on homosexuality. As long as they deny the organization and support the individual, I have no problem with it.

Being gay is no morally better or worse than being Christian, and the two are not mutually exclusive.

This is what you believe, not what they believe. And I dont begrudge either of you the right to believe either way.

While I dont see the need for the church to get rid of boy scout troops due to this new ruling, I also have no problem with them doing so if they decide it is against what they believe. We all have that right and should fight for all others to also have that right. I think it comes back to an idea that I had put forward a few months ago. Will the gay movement (and this goes for any movement) be satisfied with equal rights legally or will they try to force acceptance of their lifestyle on others? I have no problem at all with legal/civil equality, but I will have all kinds of problems with ppl trying to tell me how I have to believe.

On a side not. I think most churches getting rid of the boy scout programs due to this new ruling are getting rid of the 'boy scouts' as an organization but will happily allow gay kids (or adults for that matter) to attend the church as individuals if they want to.

[quote][b]TheBetterGeneration[/b] -
THAT is how you do your research?? You just average out the various Google results???? IS THAT A JOKE?!?
I wish there was an "I'm laughing so hard I'm crying" smilie on here because I would definitely use it.
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as opposed to the usual 'run to my favorite cons/lib site and pull out numbers I like" method? sure What do you think real info gatherers with net crawlers do? I just do it on a smaller basis since Im not going to write up a crawler to answer a post on a message board.

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] -
You must not have a job. Or you are retired and bored to death.
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just so many posts with faulty info. You can choose one or two and slant anything to look like you want it to using those as 'proof'...or you can take the time to read everything (or as much as possible) and have a reasonable idea of the truth. Ie going to msnbc/huffpo/cnn or heritage/fox and using those as your basis for an answer just means you're agreeing with their slanted messages. Only once you take the time to read what all sides are saying and filter it thru what you believe or have found thru life experiences, are you able to give an answer based on anything like reality.

[quote][b]RightIswrong[/b] -
I think it's pretty obvious who's wreaking havoc on 98% of these school campuses, and for some strange reason the fact that they're doing it is being treated with kid gloves.
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too bad this was a middle-easterner I guess.....

[quote][b]TheBetterGeneration[/b] -
Can you cite that statistic? I would like to see where you got those numbers, because they seem EXTREMELY unlikely.
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Im not gonna waste the time relooking this mess up since this is a necro post... normally I just go thru the first one to two hundred google results and average out the numbers when I want stats. Only way I know to get by all the conservative vs liberal posts out there. If I'm really interested in something, I run thru the first 4-500 results.

something along the lines of 'let's buy up all the toxic homes with fake govt printed money and create a fake shortage in housing and a housing 'boom' type of thing".

[quote][b]mcdawg[/b] - but the only people borrowing are corporations that are buying up their own stock. This has helped fuel a private investor bubble in margin debt to purchase those same stocks and has created inflation by bidding up stock prices.[/quote]

this times infinity....Ive been saying this for mnths but unicorn, rainbow, carebear lovers keep poopooing me saying Im just the grinch and just hope for failure because I hate Obama and therefor am racist..... The stock market is way overinflated with fake money added to the fact that a lot more money has been shifted to the stock market not counting the fake money since real investors have moved their money there since there is no where else to invest with such low interest rates. We have a one trick investment pony with 3 broken legs. If the stock market crashes at this point, a lot more ppl will be devastated now since all investments are there. Before the risk was spread out across many investment sectors, now it's all in one bag (the stock market). I'm just not sure how far out a real correction is, but when it happens, I fear it will be a lot more damaging than the last.

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] -
I would also insist that higher amounts of money don't translate to well-raised kids. Classic example is the two-parent career family where the father hauls in $200,000 and the mother brings in this $80,000. Both are so involved in their careers that the kids get totally ignored with every conceivable "toy" of any cost thrown at them to keep them at bay. No love, no discipline, no caring, no common sense. The kids are spoiled brats and out of control, doing drugs, driving the fast sports car (toy) drunk to kill innocents or pulling illegal stunts to get attention from their parents.
It's not money, marriage, religion, race, education or even intelligence that determines the "success" of offspring. It is the innate quality of the people involved and the commitment to the children that matters most. Fact.
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I added that because we had gotten away from the story. The story was talking about a study, but did a poor job in actually reporting what the study said. The actual study was talking about 'whole' families (mom and dad) where the mom is the main source of income. The study was actually talking about how a lot of men can't accept their wives making more than they do and how it leads to a lot of marriage breakups (yeh I know you hate men in general just leave that alone we've heard it already). Somehow this has led to a lot of ppl talking about single parent (that is single dads and moms tho mostly mothers) homes and all of the studies that have come down the pipe lately (all liberal/govt sources finally) from non conservative sources showing, on average, that kids from single parent homes are at a lot higher risk of failure than kids from 'whole' homes (none of the studies made note of mom/dad vs mom/mom dad/dad homes btw). There were no judgments made. Just showing what the numbers show. Are there successful kids from single parent homes? Sure. Are there kids that fail from 'whole' family homes? Yepper. This is just reporting of the numbers from studies (finally reported by liberally accepted sources) that can't be ignored by saying theyre from conservative sources.

[quote][b]Farmer GA[/b] -
This is what makes those programs ponzi schemes, does it not?
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nope...a ponzi scheme is where a few ppl intentionally make money by taking it from the many.... if the govt hadnt stolen the money from the SS coffers, there wouldnt be a shortage of funds. All they had to do was let it sit and gather interest, but they couldnt keep their greedy hands off it and used it on other things. This isnt a ponzi scheme, but outright embezzlement.

[quote][b]Farmer GA[/b] - Definition of 'Ponzi Scheme'
A fraudulent investing scam promising high rates of return with little risk to investors. The Ponzi scheme generates returns for older investors by acquiring new investors. This scam actually yields the promised returns to earlier investors, as long as there are more new investors. These schemes usually collapse on themselves when the new investments stop.
Sounds like Social Insecurity and Mediscare to me.
A big chunk of older "investors' are about to reach the point of taking out of the system and there are not enough young "investors" to keep the scam going. So, it will fall apart.
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At first glance, it does look like a ponzi scheme and I thought the same until I thought it thru a bit. If the govt had kept the money received in the program and invested it wisely instead of spending it all over the place to make it look like we had a balanced budget for 1 or 2 years, the program would be fine. Just like anything the govt touches, it turned to crap. They cant self govern themselves when they see big pots of money sitting there. That's what scares me about our private retirement monies sitting out there making the politicians get all excited....I can see it now..."it's not fair for some ppl to retire with more than others...let us take that and put it in a big pot and distribute it fairly"....or even more likely....."see what that market crash did to ppls retirement? we need to take it all to keep it safe for the ppl" type of thing.

[quote][b]Politically Correct Name[/b] -
What's your point?
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it's called shift the blame and ignore the problem game.... even tho we know the numbers/polls/etc show that single parent families tend to (note tend to not all cases) lead to lower producing,less successful kids. Yet instead of trying to fix the problem, we will blame the liberals or the conservatives. Then once we have shifted the blame in our own minds, we will sit back and feel all sunshiny since it isn't our 'fault'. The end all be all truth is single parent families are less successful in raising kids than whole families.

I know the conservative studies have been saying this for years but been poopooed on by liberals as being racist, prejudiced etc so on and ignored. Now huge amounts of info from us govt studies (cdc), world studies (UN, WHO and a study in Budapest I think it was) all show undeniably that single parent families fail in raising kids. There is a problem here that needs to be fixed. Im just not sure how the best way to do it is.

As for this particular article..... breadwinner moms in a 'whole' family situation average 80k a year household. Single parent family income averages 20k a year household.

@Joefus215: theyre putting in a ramp there making the whole loop limited access and hoping for interstate designation for federal monies

off subject here... but these types of stories confuse me. Here it's an unborn baby. A couple weeks ago the story popped up in a vehicle wreck situation they were considering charging to woman with 2 counts of manslaughter or whatever it was since the driver killed was carrying a child. Again, when does it become a child instead of a fetus?

as usual, come one come all you neg faeries, but these types of double think are odd to me.

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] -
You wrote that people were falling off rolls. What rolls?
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the workforce as a whole leading to a reduction in workforce participation which is at the lowest percentage since the mid 70s.

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] - What "rolls" are you referring to, please? If one gives up looking for work, then one does not need to be employed and should not be counted; evidently they are finding support somewhere, even if it's just odd jobs paid in cash. [/quote]

You might want to look into why disability rolls have increased by 57% over the last 4 years...Id suggest a lot of the ppl that quit looking for work have ended up there. This is also shown out by the overall reduction in workforce participation as a whole.

[quote][b]Athens_Rottweiler[/b] - I thought the stimulas was to help repair roads and bridges, or at least that's what 0bama kept saying. Shovel-ready jobs? Nope, fooled again.
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yep, too busy giving 85 billion a mnth to the banks.

kinda curious on how many churches will disband the scouts they host and stop the monies... losing 70% of your hosting/funding would hurt.

What I cant believe are the 20 or 30 bystanders standing there using phones to tape this and not stepping in to help this guy. What is wrong with ppl? I know they arent allowed to carry guns there, but they could have at least distracted the killers. I couldnt live with myself if I had been there standing by and watching this happen. I hope they live with the guilt/shame for the rest of their lives, but Id guess they probably wont give it a second thought.

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