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Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

And the TM supporters all seem to think assaulting someone you think is following you is an appropriate response, and its just not. That is what led to TM's death. You insist on absolving the only one who committed a crime that night.

And yes, we do know he wouldn't have been charged had he been black, because the evidence would have led the Sanford PD to the same conclusion (self defense) and there is no way in hell the racist hate mongers (NAACP, Al and Jessie) would have even cared. There's no money for them in a black on black crime. If there were, they have a full-time job in Chicago.

This was a senseless tragedy that escalated due to TM's violent assault in response to a non-violent situation. No more, no less.

posted @ Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 08:31

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - None of the stuff that happened after he got out of his car to look for Trayvon matters[/quote]

Uh, yeah...it really does matter.

Again, just because you say so doesn't make it so.

100% legal for him to do so. It was all legal until TM came back FROM THE SAFETY of his house and jumped GZ.

Interestingly, GZ thought TM looked suspicious in his behavior...like someone who was casing houses and on drugs. Whaddya know, the guy turned out to be on drugs, prone to extreme violence, and had been previously suspended for having burglary tools and stolen jewelry. Odd, isn't it?

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - What matters is that a grown man with a gun went looking for trouble and when he found it, he couldn't handle it, so he shot it[/quote]

"went looking for trouble"? And you know this how, exactly?

Oh yeah..you don't because you are projecting your own hateful spin onto his actions to mold them to your fantasy.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Trayvon was on the phone when the confrontation happened and the phone went dead.[/quote]

That can happen when you jump a guy and start bashing his head in.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - The only reason George confronted Trayvon was because he had a gun to back him up and Trayvon had only his fists.[/quote]

Again - you are in fantasy land with ZERO evidence to back this up. Just pulled it out of thin air.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Courts have been known to get it wrong[/quote]

Of course they can...just not in this case.

Had GZ been black, no one would blink at the verdict because it makes sense. You simply can't see past your own prejudice to examine it objectively. You have this sinister, evil intentioned picture of GZ and his actions, and you are willing to ignore all common sense and evidence and make up your own version of events to match that myth in your mind.

posted @ Tuesday, July 23, 2013 - 17:29

Hundreds gather in Athens at 'Justice for Trayvon' rally

[quote][b]tbirds[/b] - My point is, Zimmerman was looking to attack and shoot and that's exactly what he did[/quote]

Wow!

That's some impressive display of "I'm going to ignore the facts, the evidence, the jury verdict, and all common sense, and just make up my own conclusion out of thin air"!

Found a pic...is this really you?

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 17:16

Officials: Zimmerman helped 4 out of car wreck

[quote][b]NightoneRVN[/b] - Real BS. Still a POS. Don't believe the story, made up.
[/quote]

I have to ask...do you honestly believe this is outright fake, or that the family flipped their vehicle on purpose, or are you just venting crap out of your cakehole?

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 17:12

Officials: Zimmerman helped 4 out of car wreck

[quote][b]hoodoo[/b] - ...does not look like his stance has changed one bit...ever the hall monitor dipsh*t.[/quote]

Yeah...how DARE he help out people...how terrible!

If my family is in a wreck, I sure hope some "hall monitor dipsh*t" (as you put it) is around to help.

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 16:02

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - So where's the witness? George's self -serving testimony? Where's Trayvon's? Oh, yeah, he's dead. Where's the witness collaboration? Big smile[/quote]

Here's the thing...his "self serving" statement was supported by the evidence (he was the only one hit, his back was wet, TM's knees were wet, TM had scrapes on his knuckles, GZ's cries for help caught on tape, etc...). Every bit of evidence ties in with GZ's statement.

Not one shred of evidence refutes his statement.

You can continue to insist it must be a lie, regardless of the evidence, all you like. As an individual, you are free to make up your own version of events and believe them on nothing but emotion and the fact that you want it to be so.

Thankfully, our courts don't work that way.

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 15:56

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - @silent_majority: Turned out to be a great witness for the defense.

A witness that collaborated prosecution's claim that Zimmerman did the confronting and not Martin. Now which witness said George was attacked? That Trayvon was the aggressor? Can you name them? [/quote]

A witness who verified there was no confrontation until moments before the assault TM instigated. AFTER he had made it home, then went back for GZ.

Or do you know of some secret evidence that shows TM was hit? Notice Jeantel didn't mention a gun?

And yes, GZ's statement to the police was entered into evidence, and all the physical evidence backs it up. There's not one shred of evidence to dispute his statement.

Here you go:

[quote]The dispatcher told me not to follow the suspect + that an officer was in route.

As I headed back to my vehicle the suspect emerged from the darkness and said 'You got a problem' I said 'No' the suspect said 'You do now.'

As I looked and tried to find my phone to dial 911 the suspect punched me in the face. I fell backwards onto my back. The suspect got on top of me. I yelled 'Help' several times.[/quote]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/22/us/21george-zimmerman-tran...

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 14:58

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Now who said that? Did George testify that he didn't confront Travyon? Did anyone witness who confronted who?

But we do have a witness say that while Trayvon was on the phone he was confronted by someone. And then the phone went dead.[/quote]

You mean the witness who said TM made it all the way home, then went back to confront the "creepy ass cracker" he thought was following him? The same witness who just a few days ago justified his doing so because they thought GZ might be gay (and by extension, obviously a rapist in their minds)?

Yeah, she testified alright...and 100% solidified that Travon was the one who made it to safety and went back to confront GZ. She even inadvertently corroborated the fact that prior to that moment there had been zero confrontation between the two.

Turned out to be a great witness for the defense.

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 14:17

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - So GZ didn't have a gun when he confronted TM?[/quote]

Let's try again...I will use less words:

Zimmerman did not "confront" Trayvon.

Travon "confronted" (and violently attacked) Zimmerman.

So says the statements and evidence. Feel free to share any evidence to the contrary?

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A bit more help for you:

con·front (kn-frnt)
v. con·front·ed, con·front·ing, con·fronts
v.tr.

1. To come face to face with, especially with defiance or hostility

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/confront

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 13:38

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - In one case, a man with a gun had the right (protection of private property) to confront a teenaged criminal. In the other case, a man with a gun did not have the right (police powers) to confront an innocent teenager.

How many more times do you need to say the same thing?[/quote]

How many more times do you need to keep repeating the baseless accusation that GZ "confronted" TM with a gun before you can make it true?

The only confrontation of the night was when TM violently attacked GZ, pinned him to the ground, then proceeded to continue beating him, which forced GZ to defend himself.

Show one single, tiny shred of evidence that says otherwise.

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 13:08

Hundreds gather in Athens at 'Justice for Trayvon' rally

[quote][b]Colonel McCheese[/b] - Meh, I've read worse racist and homophobic comments from the likes of you here on the ABH. Its hardly anything worth shooting someone over.[/quote]

It is certainly not worth getting shot over...nor is it grounds to violent attack a man who has not harmed you in any way, but that's what TM did.

And so nice to see personal attacks...the sure sign you have nothing to stand on.

[quote][b]Colonel McCheese[/b] - TM was creeped out by GZ following him. For all TM knew, GZ could have been a predator. TM felt threatened and "stood his ground"[/quote]

You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

You need to educate yourself on what the threshold for claiming SYG actually is, and not the boogie man story the media is feeding you right now.

Or keep repeating baseless emotional rants if you prefer, no matter to me.

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 13:02

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Do you know what you're called when you're working with a different set of facts? Clinical insane.

One of the teens was committing a crime and the other was not when they were confronted. [/quote]

Do you know what you are called when you refuse to accept facts and reality? In denial. But you know this, hence why you are personally attacking folks...it's all you have.

Interesting to note you don't consider assaulting someone you think is following you a crime. In fact, thanks to Jeantel's appearance on Piers Morgan, it seems like he assaulted GZ because he thought GZ was gay (and therefore, obviously a rapist). I do believe your fellow Progressives call that a "hate crime".

The evidence and testimony support the fact that the initial "confrontation" was done by TM. Until the instant TM confronted GZ and physically assaulted him, the closest GZ got to TM was while GZ was sitting in his truck and TM approached him and circled his truck.

But don't let those pesky facts stop you from keeping your head in the sand.

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 12:27

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]mpd0.59[/b] - Although not used at the trial, the prosecution could have argued TM effectively used SYG to justify a pre-emptive strike on GZ, because he felt threatened by GZ's stalking behavior.[/quote]

They could have also argued aliens were responsible, and had as much luck.

Fortunately, SYG requires a bit more than is being portrayed in the media right now.

Repost:

On top of having to be not in the commission of a crime (you know...like initiating assault?), in order to be able to claim SYG, you have to have evidence that shows:

[quote][t]he individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent" the imminent death, great bodily harm, or sexual assault of himself or another individual.[/quote]

More detail:

[quote]The "reasonable belief" requirement is different from a sincere belief, meaning that a "reasonable person" should be able to examine the situation and see a threat to life or serious injury. For example, a man who is mugged at gunpoint and then shoots the mugger in the back as he is running away might "sincerely" believe the mugger was going to turn around and shoot him, but such a belief would likely not be considered "reasonable" under the circumstances.[/quote]

In other words, unless the evidence shows you were innocent of being in the commission of a crime AND you had "reasonable" fear for your life (or rape), then you are S.O.L.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 11:19

Hundreds gather in Athens at 'Justice for Trayvon' rally

[quote][b]tbirds[/b] - You still do not want to believe that Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin.[/quote]

Oh look, it's the "if only GZ had obeyed the 911 operator's order and stayed in his car" lie.

After he was already out of his truck and following on foot, a dispatcher (not an officer, not a 911 operator) said "we don't need you to do that (follow him)".

GZ said "ok", and stopped following him, thereby following an unofficial request to do so. He could have kept following if he wanted, but did not.

Go and actually listen to the call...you can clearly hear all of the above transpire for yourself.

What exactly is your point here?

[quote][b]tbirds[/b] - Rest In Peace G=Trayvon Martin.[/quote]

Interesting...you identify Martin as a "G" (Gangsta). Indeed, being a G and attacking the "creepy ass cracker" gay guy was the first illegal move of the night, and ultimately is what did him in...nice call though.

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 11:13

Hundreds gather in Athens at 'Justice for Trayvon' rally

[quote][b]Colonel McCheese[/b] - You do not have a right to stalk people in a public space because of some nebulous, perceived "threat"[/quote]

Emperor forgot this point...

Please do explain what laws GZ broke by trying to keep a person in sight while talking with Police dispatch?

(hint: perfectly legal, and well within his rights)

Here's one for you...you do not have the right to assault and beat someone because you think they are gay and following you.

Your view is all emotion, all rant, and no fact or evidence.

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 11:01

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - You conveniently forget that one teen was actually committing a crime and another was PROFILED and deemed suspicious but was not committing a crime. That is a big difference.[/quote]

Sorry, but aggravated assault is still a crime, even if you do think the "creepy ass cracker" who is following you is "gay" and out to rape you (wow...talk about profiling?)

TM was all good, and had right on his side up until he left the back of his townhouse and decided to confront GZ and give him a beat down. There's your crime - and is actually a better reason for the self-defense claim that "he ran at me".

When you think someone is following you, here are some options:

- Call 911 (good choice!)

- Get inside and lock your door then call 911 (good choice!)

- Call out for assistance (good choice!)

- Seek out other people or a home with lights on (good choice!)

- Avoid all the above, keep hanging around outside, and attack the person you think is following you (bad choice - and can be hazardous to your health!)

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 10:34

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Seems the white boys were in the act of committing a crime. What crime was Trayvon committing when George Zimmerman decided to confront him?[/quote]

GZ suspected TM was casing houses to rob. Not the same, but similar.

You asked:

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Find a case that a black vigilante targeted a white teenager and killed him using self-defense as his defense and getting off[/quote]

Black armed man shoots unarmed white teen and uses self-defense and gets off. (justifiably so, I might add)

Sums up your requirements, does it not?

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 10:01

Hundreds gather in Athens at 'Justice for Trayvon' rally

[quote][b]Da'rryl[/b] - Why do you feel it is ok to go and fight with the person following you? [/quote]

Go look up Cheef Keef and see how insanely popular he is...here's a nice glimpse into the mindset you are dealing with:

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 09:33

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Find a case that a black vigilante targeted a white teenager and killed him using self-defense as his defense and getting off. Can you do that?[/quote]

Did you even read the article he linked to?

He gave you exactly that...

Armed black man, shot an unarmed 17 year old white kid. He thought the kid was trying to break in a neighbor's car, pulled him gun and ordered him to freeze. Though he had no marks on him, he claimed the kid rushed him so he killed him.

Found not guilty in the trial.

Exactly how do you find this so dissimilar??

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 09:24

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - @grove600: Eerily similar if you ask me. Nearly the same circumstances, the same outcome.

Really? Some folks sure like stretching fantasy to the breaking point. No wonder I can't take your credibility seriously.[/quote]

Similar: according to the survivors of the encounter, in both cases the suspects appeared to be involved in alleged criminal activity - one appeared to be casing houses, one appeared to be attempting to break into a car.

Similar: one was armed, one was not

Similar: the one who was shot initiated an assault according to the survivor

Similar: the dead man's family decries the verdict, speaks of how sweet he was, how justice wasn't served.

Similar: the man who shot in self defense was found not guilty at trial.

Similar: talk of how this means folks can 'just kill anyone they want' occurs

But you are right, there are some differences...in the case of the black man killing the white man:

Different: no NAACP, no AL, Jessie, no DOJ intervening, no "special prosecutor"

Different: the President didn't personally weigh in on the case siding with the deceased, saying how the deceased could have been his son, or how it "could have been him".

Different: no nationwide protests over the verdict.

Different: no one on MSNBC saying "one thing is for sure...12 year old white boys are crawling in to their parent's bed scared tonight because of what this means" (yes, they said that last Sat night about the GZ verdict - I was watching).

Different: no "I am Christopher Cervini" movement picked up by pop culture and the media

Different: no round the clock media coverage decrying how unjust this was

Different: no national movement to restrict laws allowing you to defend yourself

Different: the shooter didn't have so much as a scratch on him - so it was truly only his word to go on

Different: no large scale issues of "racial profiling" trying to use the case as a firestarter

Hey - guess why?

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 09:20

Obama asks 'soul searching' after Martin shooting

[quote][b]snarkydude[/b] - People are prejudiced against this culture of violence, mayhem, and failure, as well they should be. We see the effects of this culture every day on the news. People have good reason to fear unfamiliar young black males walking in their neighborhoods at night.

Change the behavior, and the perceptions will change as well. The white man is no longer the biggest problem for black Americans. The biggest problem for black Americans, is/are other black Americans[/quote]

This.

This is worth repeating.

Not only in the news, but we see it in the pop culture...folks say this has no affect on the youth (yeah, right), but is instead a 'reflection of reality'...ok, either way, you need to do some housekeeping.

When these are your most visible and emulated looks and attitudes in society, you may want to do something about it:

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 08:56

Hundreds gather in Athens at 'Justice for Trayvon' rally

[quote][b]southerngirl65[/b] - Don't call me stupid.[/quote]

You asked "what maked me stupid", and I responded. I don't know if you are actually stupid or not (I am guessing not...just willfully ignorant on this issue), but the reasons I pointed out could be construed as the root cause of the impression you are leaving on the ones calling you such.

[quote][b]southerngirl65[/b] - None of us that making these comments were there.[/quote]

Nope...but only one side has the evidence in support of their view (hint: it's not you).

When you look at a situation like this and actually examine the facts known, sometimes it seems obvious what happened. Then, you hear the statement of the survivor (which falls right in with how it appeared to have gone down), and listen to the dispatch call (have you? You really should), and you look at the evidence presented in court (which, again, backs up the situation), and then on top of that you take the jury verdict (not guilty)...THEN you can say with a high degree of certainty that you know what happened.

Or, you can get caught up in the spin, chant for "justice", and ignore the facts in order to agree with a conclusion that is disputed by the known evidence.

Your choice.

posted @ Monday, July 22, 2013 - 07:02

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

[quote][b]catman[/b] - I have no idea how this law is written.[/quote]

Here's some detail...it's more than "well, he looked threatening!"...

On top of having to be not in the commission of a crime (you know...like initiating assault?), in order to be able t o claim SYG, you have to have evidence that shows:

[quote][t]he individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent" the imminent death, great bodily harm, or sexual assault of himself or another individual.[/quote]

More detail:

[quote]The "reasonable belief" requirement is different from a sincere belief, meaning that a "reasonable person" should be able to examine the situation and see a threat to life or serious injury. For example, a man who is mugged at gunpoint and then shoots the mugger in the back as he is running away might "sincerely" believe the mugger was going to turn around and shoot him, but such a belief would likely not be considered "reasonable" under the circumstances.[/quote]

In other words, unless the evidence shows you were innocent of being in the commission of a crime AND you had "reasonable" fear for your life (or rape), then you are S.O.L.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

posted @ Sunday, July 21, 2013 - 23:17

HOW CAN GEORGE ZIMMERMAN HIDE? What would you advise?

[quote][b]catman[/b] - Zimmerman should return to his old life, doing exactly what he used to.
If he's killed, some people will call him a hero. That's the best he can hope for.
[/quote]

After listening to he dispatch call and reviewing the evidence at trial, I am convinced the guy was just trying to do the right thing, and TM assaulted him...which led to GZ responding with deadly force in self-defense.

Tragedy all around, as a young man paid for his aggression with his life, and GZ's life is more or less ruined.

With the rabid frenzy being stoked by the Media and the race mongers, no doubt someone will execute GZ for "justice".

posted @ Sunday, July 21, 2013 - 23:06

HOW CAN GEORGE ZIMMERMAN HIDE? What would you advise?

[quote][b]CharlesB[/b] - Hmmm...I'm not familiar with Peruvian food.[/quote]

According to a former co-worker (who lived in Peru), "El Pollo Loco" (was by the gas station next to Aqua Linda on Prince, which merged with Caliente Cab to become Cali N Tito's) had Peruvian menu items.

I miss the fried plantains and corn with the green sauce.

You can find Peruvian dishes at Cali N Tito's on Lumpkin.

I recommend the Lomo saltado con pollo...very good stuff!

posted @ Sunday, July 21, 2013 - 22:59

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