Immigrants. Keyword being Immigrants, without the "Illegal" in front of it. Not undocumented, not anything other than "legal, natural born or naturalized" in front of it.

"Actions taken by the state legislature are extremely racist and biased against these children."

I'm surprised at you, Mrs. Seagraves. There needs to be a better response to this issue other than "it's racist."

[quote][b]Logical[/b] - By what metrics is the economy still crap?[/quote]

16.5 trillion dollars in debt tells me its still crap.

[quote][b]Logical[/b] - The GDP is much, much improved, so much improved, that our debt to GDP ratio is the lowest in six years.[/quote]

Actually our debt to GDP ratio 106.6%

Our GDP as a whole is 15.6 trillion dollars. The national debt is 16.6 trillion.

[quote][b]Logical[/b] - The deficit has been SLASHED, thoughh your Conservative Media will never tell you this as long as the "Kenyan Socialist" is still President. [/quote]

Oh please. You call a slowdown in spending a cut in spending?

[quote][b]Logical[/b] - The stock market, the barometer by which most Americans 401(k) s are measured has more than doubled since 2008, when your Golden Child, Dubya the Dumb, helped drive it down to 6700. [/quote]

You fail to see the looming debt crisis. I feel sorry for you. Your 401 k will be crap when this economy collapses under the weight of its own debts. And when it does, you'll still blame Bush for it. Pathetic.

[quote][b]Logical[/b] - You say these idiotic things, while never producing any evidence of what is your opinion. [/quote]

It's common knowledge, for which you have chosen to ignore. Try using Google once in a while. Or, play with this little doodad.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

By the way, I link to just about every argument I make. I learned that ages ago. You on the other hand haven't produced a shred of evidence backing up your sordid opinions.

[quote][b]Logical[/b] - God knows how much improved you would be if you turned off Fox News and listened to NPR. Heck, you'd be much improved if you turned off Fox News, Hannity and friends, and just listened to music.[/quote]

Perhaps it would do you some good to do some research, and learn to take objective points of view once in a while. I don't watch Hannity. Nor do I take Fox News or any of the media seriously. Any benefit for me they may provide are of the sports variety.

Okay, let me continue to put this in proportion for you.

On August 29, 2004, in New York, New York; two days before the Republican Convention was due to begin, 288 protesters planning to attend the Anti-Bush rally were arrested. Two days before, 250 bicyclists were arrested in Madison Square Garden for obstructing traffic. On August 31, nearly 1,000 were arrested for assorted offenses.

On September 2nd, 2004, a day after the beginning of the convention and subsequent rally, nearly 900 more protesters were arrested for trying to converge on RNC Headquarters. Almost 2,000 protesters were arrested for throwing childish fits in the streets throughout the convention. Where was the Liberal Media? Either nowhere to be seen, or slanting the coverage with "NYPD suppresses protestor's rights to peaceably assemble" nonsense.

Fast forward 7 years:

September 17th, 2011.

A group of protestors labeling themselves as "Occupy Wall Street" began protests in New York's financial district because of a supposed income disparity between the rich, or what they dubbed as the "1%," and themselves "the 99%." The protests spanned the globe, inciting riots in Europe and resulting in thousands of arrests. Here in the United States, protestors regularly clashed with police, causing nearly untold amounts of damage to Zuccotti Park while camping there with their tents.

In the 40 days after the initial beginning of the protests, over 2,500 protesters had been arrested.

Obama, Pelosi and Reid initially praised the protests, but quickly backed off as the protests got out of hand. Time Magazine named the entirety of the movement as "Person of the Year" in its November issue of 2011.

Where was the media? The same place as it was 7 years before, either praising the protestors or vilifying law enforcement for "restricting protestor's rights to peaceably assemble."

As of February 28th of this year, 7,732 OWS protesters have been arrested by law enforcement across the country.

Now, lets flip the coin, and see how the Tea Party did:

Since its origins during the Bush era, and it's official formation on January 20, 2009 (Or over 1,560 days ago), there have been no recorded arrests or confrontations between protesters and police anywhere on US soil or elsewhere on the planet. Where is the media? Vilifying them.

August 15th, 2009: Nancy Pelosi is heard referring to the Tea Party as "an astroturf movement largely initiated by some of the wealthiest people in America." Little did she know that a year later she would be ousted from the speakership of the House.

The best the Liberal media could come up with was an incident during a protest on Capitol Hill in May of 2010, where two Democratic Congressmen alleged that Tea Partiers had issued forth racial and homophobic slurs in their direction, and accused a man spitting on one of them, of whom happened to be Rep. Emanuel Cleaver. The assailant was later detained and released when Cleaver declined to press charges against him.

This is a mere example of how biased the Left Wing media has become.

@Greg Benson: You Liberals have spent the last 12 years bashing a man who is now no longer in office, but when a man of color, one who promised hope and change is elected. it is suddenly not okay to criticize the president. Over the past 6 years you have acted like he has done nothing wrong.

That's bias. It is extremely ignorant of you to reserve criticism for those you merely disagree with... ignorant and closed minded.

[quote][b]Greg Benson[/b] - So if one president gets us into two unnecessary wars and pillages the economy, and the other is someone trying his best to undo that damage in spite of relentless, knee-jerk opposition from the right, the two should be assessed equally by the media?[/quote]

Yes. One trashed it, the other never did anything to fix it. One started two wars (Iraq, Afghanistan) and the other three (Libya, Uganda, Yemen). One spent 5 trillion in eight years, the other 6 in just five.

You have a funny definition of equal assessment. And despite what you hear from those lovebirds in the MSM, this economy is still crap, regardless of what other liberals in your clique tell you.

Secondly, if Obama was really doing his best, he wouldn't have screwed up the sequester, nor would he have had a budget proposal of his own rejected unanimously by both the House and the Senate.

And lastly, the Liberals are the ones doing the knee-jerking. Instead of countering with facts or the truth, they simply label their opponents stupid, uneducated, bigoted, women hating, racist homophobes. Or they come back with a lame "You don't like Obama because he's black" line. You writing all of this down? When Bush was declared the GOP nominee in 2000, you liberals held an overly childish rally in the streets of Philadelphia, where you steeped so low as to burn our own flag. In 2004, a year and eight months after Bush invaded Iraq, you burned effigies of him in the streets and splayed out your anarchist tendencies for all of America to see.

This is how liberals reacted when they didn't get their way:

Anti Bush/War rally, November 3, 2004 in San Francisco

Philadelphia, 2000:

So we are the knee-jerk reactionaries here? Guess again.

http://archive.mrc.org/biasbasics/pdf/BiasBasics.pdf

Okay..

Theres ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, and CBS versus

Fox News

You tell me. Why is it we hear more about Liberal Media bias more than Conservative?

[quote][b]curiouscat[/b] - Lottery funds come from the poor[/quote]

Actually, they're poor because they waste their hard earned money buying lottery tickets, cat. It's not like its being taken from them by force.

Water is free. Buy a purifier and find a river.

Wha?

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - But the city of Nelson does. [/quote]

Not yet. They are considering it. Please try not to get ahead of yourself.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Data just does not support the claim made by anti gun control advocates that guns in the home (a) deter crime and (b) thwart crimes in progress.[/quote]

No.

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/commsumm.nsf/b4a3962433b52fa787256e5f00670a71/10498c3a3264be7887257998006fe0d7/$FILE/HseJud0202AttachN.pdf

(copy paste into browser)

@melquiades: I didn't see anything wrong with the spelling. Care to point it out?

Or it could be some "Legend of Zorro" wannabe. I never noticed any of that stuff while I was downtown anyhow.

Frankly, I'd rather not have the government forcing me to buy a gun, or not to buy a gun. That is my choice. Liberals and Conservatives alike need to stay out of it.

I didn't know her personally, but she was a very good leader. Everyone liked her. I was at work in 2007 when I heard about her death. Even though I never met her face to face when we went to school together, my heart sank. That was a fellow schoolmate that had just been slain, it was an eerie of feeling to say the least. She is an inspiration to us all.

I was fortunate to have Mr. Ragsdale as my Lit teacher at Clarke Central. The Iliad and the Odyssey were winning awards even when they were first created back in 2005. Well done, Glads.

Regardless of whether you are a Republican or Democrat, this woman deserves our respect. Good one, Ed.

[quote][b]autumnlark[/b] - So it's ok for you to decide what citizenship requirements should be, based on what you perceive to be properly American, but it's not ok for people who disagree with your vision of what is properly American to have a different opinion, and you base all this on what you believe to be the law, but then you say you don't like one of the laws which defines citizenship. [/quote]

Yeah, cause it kinda sticks out like a sore thumb when you yourself are an illegal but your child is a citizen, because of a flaw in the Fourteenth Amendment. If you are born of a citizen, you should be a citizen, if you are born of an illegal, you are illegal. It's simple cut and dry. The clause should work both ways.

[quote][b]autumnlark[/b] - And you think WE are the illogical ones.[/quote]

You are.

[quote][b]skull[/b] - I do agree that the article does read that undocumented students can't attend UGA, even if paying out-of-state tuition. If that is indeed the case, I would agree that this is an inequity.[/quote]

Hmm.. so do we completely ignore the fact they are undocumented? Why? How is it fair for an undocumented student to take precedent over an American? It would indeed be an inequity if they were legalized citizens or those here on the proper visas, but in this case, the inequity would come if they were allowed to attend a college or university despite their undocumented status.

[quote][b]autumnlark[/b] - And in order for them to acquire it lawfully, the law needs to change.[/quote]

Yeah, starting with the 14th Amendment. As in changing the definition of what is and isn't a citizen in this country. Children of illegal immigrants are not citizens in my eyes. It's simple, really. Your parents aren't citizens, why should you be given it on a silver platter just because they happened to give birth to you here? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[quote][b]autumnlark[/b] - And once again, my desire is for the law to CHANGE so that they CAN have proper documentation. What part of that is so hard for YOU to understand?[/quote]

They can have proper documentation when and if they acquire it lawfully. You are simply too thickheaded to understand that. Your activism blinds your better judgement. We have laws, made to be obeyed, not circumvented or abolished.

[quote][b]autumnlark[/b] - Stop presuming. I described the process of deportation, and nothing more. You read into it more than was there.[/quote]

No.

You spent most of the morning saying things like this:

[quote][b]autumnlark[/b] - As I've pointed out on this issue over and over again. We're dealing with civil law here, not criminal law.[/quote]

Sometimes I actually read through thread before I make my opinions. You have no grasp of the machinations of our justice system, and if you did, you are twisting it to suit your own argument.

[quote][b]autumnlark[/b] - All seven billion people on Earth are allowed to apply to and attend these schools[/quote]

If they are legal immigrants and have proper documentation. What part of that is so hard for you to understand?

[quote][b]autumnlark[/b] - "Deportation is a civil, administrative procedure.... It is not a criminal prosecution." I said nothing at all about the act of coming into the country without proper documentation[/quote]

You want them all to be here without so much as a slap on the wrist. Second, I know what I read. Stop backpedaling.