[quote][b]Libralady[/b] - Your religion should not try to influence law[/quote]

Yet the law wishes to change our religion? Making it acceptable for gays to marry at the expense of someone elses religious beliefs? If someone can't pray on the steps on the Supreme Court building, a homosexual shouldn't be allowed to marry. I see hypocrisy, but I don't know what you see in those rose colored glasses of yours. If we cant have a manger scene during the holidays at some church, then gays should not be allowed to display their "pride." That's how I personally feel about it.

But wait! Theres more! I support ANYONE getting their constitutional rights, but saying somehow that marriage is a constitutional right is inaccurate. It defines marriage in no way shape nor form.

[quote][b]Libralady[/b] - and it is trying to do so when the bible is thrown in to try to say homosexuals should not be allowed to marry[/quote]

Right, and people have been swearing on Bibles in our courts for how long? What if it were a Koran?

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - Wrong: the polls did not say "purely" motivated by politics, a big difference. [/quote]

It is "purely" motivated. Why else would he make such an issue of it in an election year? Sorry, don't try to spin the link. That is from a left leaning news company, and you still rejected it.

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - You really believe Obama doesn't support gay marriage.[/quote]

I personally don't know what he believes. First he's against, then he was for, then he was against, and now he's for it.

[quote][b]Libralady[/b] - The government is not trying to "rule your religion".[/quote]

Wanna bet?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,106455,00.html

[quote][b]Libralady[/b] - I am glad that the president has come out in favor of gay marriage because anything less is just discrimination.[/quote]

Man, I almost lol'd. So what about the times he came out against it?

[quote][b]Libralady[/b] - It does not matter what the bible says (and what it says is certainly open to MANY interpretations) because the bible does not rule our country. [/quote]

And our government does not rule our religion, hence church and state. Works both ways, lady. It does not matter what you liberals say.

[quote][b]Libralady[/b] - We are denying gay citizens something they want and there are no grounds to deny them except people's beliefs and prejudices.[/quote]

Well, when 30 plus states vote against gay marriage, are they being prejudiced? Last time I checked, the will of the voters trumped your opinion on the subject.

[quote][b]Libralady[/b] - Eventually it will happen and it will be over the objections of a few, just like the civil rights legislation.[/quote]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-gmtimeline-fl,0,5345296.htmlstory

[quote][b]Libralady[/b] - It will happen because it is the right thing to do.[/quote]

Fixing this economy is the right thing to do. Besides, what good is a homosexual marriage when both of you are out of a job? Ever thought about that?

[quote][b]R. U. Kidding[/b] - DogEat seems to have very personal feelings about the "tender bodies" of young children. (Yuk, Dog.) Not surprisingly, a new study found that those individuals who hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have undercover same-sex desires. So, be careful how loudly you bark. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/homophobia-homosexuality-gay_n_...
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Are you kidding? You barked the loudest, and what you did is more commonly known as self projection.

[quote][b]NoBark[/b] - I'm also finding that most happily married heterosexual couples don't seemed to be opposed to this at all.[/quote]

Erhm.. its because they don't really care. This issue is a distraction, they have their pocketbooks to worry about, their OWN happiness to secure.

I am personally opposed to gay marriage, and homosexuality period. While I am compelled to give them their right to marry, this is not a big deal right now.

Its the economy, and we aren't stupid.

[quote][b]NoBark[/b] - The married people I personally know who are opposed to this inalienable right are on at least their 2nd marriage---and they are very unhappy people in general. [/quote]

That is a laughable presumption.

[quote][b]NoBark[/b] - What really astounds me, is that this issue IS about control, and the very concept of marriage---as a device---pertains to nothing but control.[/quote]

So is abortion and the proverbial "war on women."

No bark, no bite.

[quote][b]TrollKiller[/b] - so to my mind it shows a measure of courage--and may cost him the election[/quote]

Good.

[quote][b]dogeatdog[/b] - Folks, does preening sanctimony make you feel like upchucking?[/quote]

Your constant neo conservative rants make me want to upchuck. And heck I am a Republican!

[quote][b]dogeatdog[/b] - in this case by stridently asserting moral superiority over hallucinatory evil straw men who NEVER mentioned "political views" or "black and white judgments."[/quote]

You really need to practice your reading comprehension skills, doggy. Black and white means to make absolute judgment on something or someone to one extreme or the other. It means that a person is an absolutist. You assumed I was speaking of race weren't you? Such a puerile character you are.

[quote][b]TrollKiller[/b] - the answer to your question is simple: most Americans opinions have also evolved on this issue[/quote]

The one thing I wish some of you liberals would evolve is some common sense!

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - I'll give any politician a bye for changing opinions on a few issues over time; Mitt completely flops from one extreme to another. His flip flops have been largely about public policy choices, not simply changes in opinions.[/quote]

I thought you said ANY politician?

Contradiction.

[quote][b]harrumph[/b] - You need to work on relevance when commenting.[/quote]

You need to work on manners while commenting.

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - As I recently discovered with you, you make stuff up and paste completely fraudlent "facts" regularly, so it's pointless to discuss anything with you. [/quote]

Wanna try me?

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - I have no need to Google the assertion, an assertion not backed-up by anything, that I know is not true.[/quote]

Believe your own version of events then. At least I do research before I attempt to mount an argument.

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - Do you really believe any polling question is going to ask: "Was Obama's stance 'purely politics'"? [/quote]

You said "70%" do not believe that the president coming out in support for gay marriage was politically motivated.

Guess again. The exact opposite is true.

"Most Americans believe that the president came out in support of same-sex marriage for political reasons. Sixty-seven percent overall said his decision was grounded in politics, including 86 percent of Republicans and 70 percent of independents. Only 24 percent overall said he made the decision because he thought it was the right thing to do."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57434069-503544/poll-one-in-four-...

Like I said, you choose to believe the truth you want to hear, and not the truth that really exists. Google, a poor man's college education.

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - You made it up.[/quote]

No he didn't. Try googling his assertions before you openly dismiss them as "made up."

Flash back to 1996, Then senatorial hopeful Obama said he was openly for gay marriage. Fast forward eight years, to 2004, as a Senator he flip flopped on the issue, saying he was against it. Four years later, in 2008 during the midst of his presidential campaign, he reversed position again. Again, four years later, this year, 2012, he once again endorses gay marriage.

Now, I don't know what his deal is, either he is waging a serious moral dilemma within his mind, or he is just trying to equivocate his stances on social justice.

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - And 70% of folks don't believe Obama's support for gays "is purely political."[/quote]

Where are the links? Any polls out there that suggest that?

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - I bet, however, that Obama was well aware that his opinion would hurt him in many close states, and quite possibly weaken him nationally.[/quote]

Oh he was. Someone who is trying to save his own hide knows good and well what he is doing, when he flip flops on an issue more times than a pancake. Geesh, Zell Miller wasn't this bad.

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - So which is it; is he a pandering politician or courageous?[/quote]

He is a pandering politician who thinks he is courageous.

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - Of course, if you will review history a little better, you will find, going back to the evil Biblical days, that marriage was once seen as one man and several women. [/quote]

Of course, if you review the Bible a bit harder, it never condoned polygamy. But at any rate, what does this have to do with gay marriage?

"Evil biblical days" Silly.

[quote][b]D.Dublis[/b] - I hope Obama responds to every Mitt and conservative pandering on gay marriage as follows: "Mitt has publicly supported the right of gays to adopt children (I've seen the interview).[/quote]

Oh, okay. I see how it is. Obama can flip flop at least four times on one issue, but Mitt Romney is not allowed to do it even once? Yes, pander to the gay vote by supporting them, then rejecting them to pander to the evangelical vote. There is no concern for the beliefs of either side, just pure political motivation, his modus operandi.

[quote][b]dogeatdog[/b] - You read it right. That's 100% correct.
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It also says in the book of Romans that you are not to be a stumbling block to any man in his walk with God. So what if a person was never raised the way us churchgoers were? What if he or she took no value in prayer but wishes to discover it?

Will you drive them away with your scurrilous rants? Call me a traitor to your conservative ways if you wish, but being a Christian is more important than holding political views or rendering such black and white judgments of people.

[quote][b]chawkfan[/b] - I feel that the sanctity of the institution has just about been totally ruined with or without same-sex marriage. Might as well allow it, IMHO[/quote]

If anything, teach the value of keeping a commitment. Seems as if nobody knows the meaning of it anymore, gay or not.

[quote][b]mpd0.59[/b] - The basis for plural marriage or polygamy is described in the Book of Mormon as a revelation from God in order to "raise up seed unto [God].[/quote]

So you think that speaks for the entire religion of Christianity? The Book of Mormon should in no way to be linked to the Bible itself, it says at the very end of the book of Revelation that whoever adds or takes away from the meaning of the word of God will have his name erased from the Lamb's book of Life.

Besides, thats not how it works. We don't take edicts from Moroni, we take them from God himself. We don't use gold tablets, we used tablets hewn from stone. The Bible teaches monogamy, not polygamy.

Oh and as for the Koran, although it teaches that a man can marry multiple wives, it doesn't say men can marry multiple men, or women, women. It bans homosexuality just the same as the Bible does. Now, why is it you folks always come after us Christians, and not Muslims?

[quote][b]cyou299[/b] - how many of these 'one man one woman' conservatives are on their 4th marriage?[/quote]

John Edwards.

Sit down.

[quote][b]mcudab[/b] - I vote for Mickey Mouse... Instead of all the riff raff we have in office now.[/quote]

Mickey Mouse vs @riff raff: for president.

GAME ON!

RIFF RAFF 2012!

[quote][b]JoeShmoTheEskimo[/b] - Politicians are professional vote-getters, campaign-fund-acquisitioners, not problem-solvers.[/quote]

Obama included.

[quote][b]cyou299[/b] - you're referring of course to the $320,000,000,000 dollars for the F-22 jets that are now grounded I assume...[/quote]

I am actually referring to the $5,100,000,000,000 Obama spent during his first term in office.

[quote][b]cyou299[/b] - ...and yet, Romney wants to INCREASE the military budget. [/quote]

Too bad Obama started all those wars without him.

[quote][b]harrumph[/b] - So why don't you point to us some of Romney's "results"[/quote]

Point us to some of Obama's?

HINT: Unconstitutional mandates and failed stimulus bills don't count.

[quote][b]JoeShmoTheEskimo[/b] - I think Romney definitely could have picked a better target than this bridge that's intended to be a part of a nice park for pedestrians and whatnot.[/quote]

Sure worked for Obama.

[quote][b]JoeShmoTheEskimo[/b] - So what if the project isn't completed? It's closer now thanks to the bridge.[/quote]

So what if Romney built that bridge? Would you be here talking about it?

[quote][b]JoeShmoTheEskimo[/b] - Romney and I ought to go for a walk and I'll explain this to him.[/quote]

If Obama doesn't stop his spending, you wont be walking on that bridge, you'll be living under that bridge. Trust me.