[quote][b]jlscott[/b] -
No, CBS news was blowing a political blast well before he did. It was disgusting enough that I was quite in agreement with his statement when he made it.
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Yup.. It had already started way before I said anything..

[quote][b]RightWingExtremist[/b] - @keepitsimple: Don't know why but that was a bit infuriating. He is my father, but that doesn't always mean I walk with him in lockstep.
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Why? 36000 people died last year in DUIs and mourning or crying for them.. I find all this just so false..
And if your read what I said I acknowledged it was a tragedy.. But in the grand scheme of things...

[quote][b]keepitsimple[/b] - Funny, the first political gun control comment I saw from all of this was from...............YOUR DAD!
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Yup... and your point is..

Lay off Charles.. The anti gun folks where already spewing this stuff minutes after it happened..
No on cried or mourns for the 36000 that died last year in DUIs..

Oh and to add, they are now saying 2 gunman..

This was a tragedy today that involved a spineless, cowardly, asshat behind a gun. People died and people are wounded. very sad. i have a 9 year step, daughter,2 sons and a beautiful wife; both are my world, and I don't know what I would do they were taken. BUT that gun did not wake up this morning, clean its little bbl and brush its firing pin, get coffee, and walk out the door to the incident site and start shooting. No, a person made a decision, no matter what mental capacity at the time, and picked up in animate gun, loaded gun, aimed, fired, and shot people. GUNS do not Kill people. just the same as drunks that continue to drive wile intoxicated. People use guns as a tool, Criminals use them as a tool. So, for all you screaming tree-hugging pacificsitc liberal, Costas and Whitlock loving, believe MSNBC and CNN as the word of God types: do me a favor, research the actual FBI stats on which is more deadly in the past 3 years: guns or DUIs. and do not even start down the 'assault weapons' speel until you can 100% correctly define, according to the BATFE and the NFA, what a real "assault weapon" is defined as. For my solid 2A supporters out there. brace yourselves, lib lip poop is about to hit the fan.

If Unions are so good, why do they need to intimidate folks into joining them or agreeing with them..
Just look at the thugs in MI why?
If it is so good people should be flocking to it..

@dahreese: Name one thing in the past 30 years Unions have done for the worker..
Second Michigan is a Union state but it seems the Unions did nothing to stop most of the auto jobs from shipping overseas, blame the GOP all you want but the Dems have held enough power to stop it.. Same here in PA with the steel mills and coal mines.. Oh btw coal is heavy Union and it is Obama that is killing the industry here..

Oh and so you agree with the UAW forcing Chrysler to hire back the drunks that where fried for drinking.. Oh that is a grand thing for a union.. just Grand..

[quote][b]Lazarus Laughs Last[/b] - @Ravenbear:
Au contaire, Ravenbear, you have conveniently left out additional information. What a surprise! Is that a development from hunter-gatherer to pick-and-chooser?
"It has occasionally been argued that the Supreme Court, in Torcaso v Watkins, "found" Secular Humanism to be a religion. This assertion is based on a reference, by Justice Black, in a footnote (number 11) to the court's finding, to court cases where organized groups of self-identified Humanists, or Ethicists, meeting on a regular basis to share and celebrate their beliefs, have been granted religious-based tax exemptions. [2]
Justice Black's use of the term "secular humanism" in his footnote has been seized upon by some religious groups, such as those supporting causes such as teaching creationism in schools, as a "finding" that any secular or science-based activity is, in fact, religion.[3][4] [5]

However, such attempts to conflate non-religious, secular or scientific ideas and activities with religion have been explicitly rejected by subsequent courts, most notably Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, where U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III ruled that intelligent design is not science, that it "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents", and that the school district's promotion of it therefore violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (see Intelligent Design).[6] In fact, prior to its use by Justice Black, the term "Secular Humanism" had never before been used in any court case, and it is unclear why Justice Black used the term in this instance, other than to perhaps emphasize the groups' non-belief in any divine force."
Source: Your friends at Wikipedia
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Well you need to do a bit more research..
http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
federal court of appeals ruled yesterday Wisconsin prison officials violated an inmate’s rights because they did not treat atheism as a religion.

“Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being,” the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said.

The court decided the inmate’s First Amendment rights were violated because the prison refused to allow him to create a study group for atheists.

Brian Fahling, senior trial attorney for the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy, called the court’s ruling “a sort of Alice in Wonderland jurisprudence.”

“Up is down, and atheism, the antithesis of religion, is religion,” said Fahling.

The Supreme Court has said a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being. In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the court described “secular humanism” as a religion.

Fahling said today’s ruling was “further evidence of the incoherence of Establishment Clause jurisprudence.”

“It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.

Also by all standard put down by scholars atheism meets the tenants of a religion, I posted Ninian Smart's book, Dimensions of the Sacred which is used by most scholars in the area of religion to define what is religion, atheism meets those tenants.. Working on my Masters in Religious Studies this is right up my alley..

@catman: Hey why do you not find some less bias sources.. And I might buy into it.. But from a prog site.. nope.. Oh you do know that Mars's temp is going up at the same rate as our.. Wonder how we are doing that..
See in the 70's in was the Ice Age coming back, now this.. We are in planetary cycle and temps are increasing in our solar system.. But to say that man is the total reason is stupid.

Oh and before you say it because I do not agree with you, I will say it for you, I am a stupid redneck, etc..

And I am sure Al Gore donate all that 50 million to carbon offsets.. Yup bet he did.. It's ok for the dems to be rich..

Yea they enacted a carbon tax while I was in Australia, put 12k people out of work the first day it was enacted.. Yea just what we need more taxes..

[quote][b]Libralady[/b] -
Really? You can prove that?
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Sure can all you have to do is look to the CDC and FBI stats.. Look it up..
Give you a graphic..

See you think gun have a will of there own.. They do not people will find a way to kill someone if they want to.. Oh BTW as a paramedic for 8 yeas I say 3 time more deaths by other objects than I did guns.. And I am talking a violent death...

[quote][b]RightWingExtremist[/b] - @harrumph: Educate yourself, you snot nosed heathen.
http://www.adl.org/civil_rights/ab/free_Exer.asp
http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-01/13-free-exercise-of-r...
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SOn @hurrumph: is like monkeys a the zoo, the only way they know how to communicate with us is fling $#it, so feel sorry for him, cause they only way he can feel important is to fling $#it.. He is probably upset because the nursing home ran out of peach ice cream..

[quote][b]Lazarus Laughs Last[/b] - @capecod:
You are wrong with that fallacious argument.
"Atheism is a religion as much as baldness is a hair color, or not collecting stamps is a hobby"
anonymous
"Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position"
Bill Maher
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According to the SCOTUS Atheisim is a religon so in the US it is..
"Torcaso v. Watkins (1961)
Supreme Court Decisions on Religious Liberty

And Bill Maher is an idiot.. He might want to do some research on religion before he opens his be trap..

A better way to determine whether a worldview is a religion is to look for certain characteristics that religions have in common. The framework set forth by Ninian Smart, commonly known as the Seven Dimensions of Religion, is widely accepted by anthropologists and researchers of religion as broadly covering the various aspects of religion, without focusing on things unique to specific religions.

The seven dimensions proposed by Smart are narrative, experiential, social, ethical, doctrinal, ritual and material. Not every religion has every dimension, nor are they all equally important within an individual religion. Smart even argues that the “secularisation” of western society is actually a shift of focus from the doctrinal and ritual to the experiential.

[quote][b]bukowski[/b] - @fishin4u: he joined with the understanding that church and state are to be separate. see the constitution. keep you primitive myth of a supernatural overlord to yourself.
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Point to me anywhere in the Constitution where it say "separation of church and state".. I'll be waiting..

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] -
And they do, they really do. I imagine in the military it could get to be really rough as so many incidents of bullying and hazing in the past indicate, not for this issue necessarily, but it does seem military types are particularly prone to this. Regardless of Mr. Page's problems with depression, I salute him for calling this out and I hope he can manage to continue to do so. I wonder why they let him go with an honorable discharge without penalty when that apprears to be against the rules.
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From what I see on Athens Talks the venom is flying the most from those who are bashing those with spiritual beliefs.. Not the other way around..

[quote][b]Ben Had[/b] -
It has been my observation that those who believe in God are mostly just afraid of dying, and everything that happens before that.
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Been my observation that those who have to hassle others about their spiritual beliefs are very insecure in their own..

@JoeBlow: I draw the line at the point that I have the right to defend myself and my family.. And police officers are to heavy to carry around..

Knives kill more people than guns, as well as things like baseball bats.. You want to ban those as well.. If you took all the guns away from everyone they would still find ways to kill each other. It is not the guns it is the people..

Going Postal, Pre-Pistol
How did mass murderers operate before the advent of modern weapons?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/07/aurora...

Just to help you a bit..

[quote][b]johnthebrewer[/b] - THIS PERSON WOULD NOT HAVE KILLED WITHOUT A GUN.
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Really?? Tell Nicole Simpson that.. She is dead and no gun..

[quote][b]Libralady[/b] - Oh my God! Ah yes, everyone should carry a gun, even people in wheel chairs! Now someone's grandmother has been killed. When will we in this country do something about this craziness?
And all you that need your gun to feel macho, spare me the negs, I am not interested. I am sick of this killing.
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Guess we need to ban bows and arrows now too if we go by your logic..

Wyo. community college student first thought bow and arrow was brought in to scare instructor
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/04/wyo-community-college-student-first...

My ex wife had a gun she stopped two men from raping her, now you want to tell me that it would have been better if she had had no gun and been raped.. ?? If so I'll give you her number and you can tell her..

So much for all the folks blaming the jail.. Beat they do not have the cajones to say they where wrong..

Or this lovely piece from 2Pac, nice enough to usher in the bride at your kids wedding.. Oh and filtered words are either the "N" word or the "B" word..

Fake Ass Bitches
2Pac

Tell me about these fake ass bitches
Look here little successful and attractive African American Most of these niggaz be bitches too But you'll never hear that side of the story So uhh, we finna do this [filtered word] like this
It's like I tell my niggaz, keep your eyes on these bitches They love to G a successful and attractive African American young dumb and gettin' riches What the [filtered word] you think a trick is successful and attractive African American successful and attractive African American done stick and wet his dick And then get tricked out all his riches by a [filtered word]
I'm here to school you to the rules of the game, it'll cost ya Think you alla that just 'cause she let a successful and attractive African American toss her It's like a motherfuckin' privilege So don't give up your conversation, give that [filtered word] your 7 digits
When she call ya, ask that tramp whassup And if she is the type of successful and attractive African American hang up, word up And let that [filtered word] meditate to the dial tone And call me when you're ready to bone and it's on
A motherfucking mack tonight Stay that stay strapped 'cause my raps is tight You fuckin' punks, I hate you snitches Went against the grain and the game to be fake ass bitches
God damn, you can't just hit them niggaz with that game And expect them to accept it, girl your heard me it gets skanless But we gonna kick this [filtered word] like this here
I can't stand fake ass bitches Lyin' ass niggaz and you punk ass snitches I can't stand fake ass bitches Lyin' ass niggaz and you punk ass snitches
Time to show these bustas who's boss Run up on a real [filtered word] and get tossed The game is deep and thicker than a motherfuckin' jimmy Broke hoes runnin' round yellin' gimme!
I can't stand it, hoes talkin' 'bout they got a man [filtered word] all I wanted her to do is [filtered word] So how about hittin' a [filtered word] on my pager Busy now [filtered word] but you can give me the [filtered word] later
Fly how I fade her, played her like a game of sega Fuckin' with the player that done made her, huh And I ain't sleepin' caught you creepin' for my money Got the dick and now you get the pistol honey
So get the bozack, knockin' hoes back, keep my dough stacked So where the motherfuckin' hoes at? Punk niggaz can't fade the mack, livin' fat Gettin' paid to rap, it's like that, you motherfuckin' bitches
Yeah, yeah that's my motto She educated a whole bunch of you old raggedy-ass niggaz See y'all take that [filtered word] back to y'all camp and uhh You sleep on that there, it's like
She can't stand fake ass bitches Lyin' ass niggaz and you punk ass snitches I can't stand fake ass bitches Lyin' ass niggaz and you punk ass snitches
I can't stand fake ass bitches Lyin' ass niggaz and you punk ass snitches I can't stand fake ass bitches Lyin' ass niggaz and you punk ass snitches
Oh you too successful and attractive African American, don't think we ain't talkin' 'bout your punk ass You old fake ass successful and attractive African American, standin' there wearin' all them pendletons And khakis and all that, you soft as a motherfuckin' grape Ain't this a motherfuckin' [filtered word]
I can see right through your flower ass Some of these niggaz is bitches too, man I tell ya It's gonna be harder and harder to be a thug in ninety-fo' But we gonna do this [filtered word]
Y'all take this [filtered word] and you play this [filtered word] for every single Fake ass [filtered word] out there and there's plenty of 'em You probably got one sittin' next to you right now Bobbin' his fake ass head to this, dope ass [filtered word] that he listenin' to Fake ass motherfuckin' [filtered word], die in ninety-four

@loverlysally: Lovely little piece from Lil' Wayne..

Ha, pikaboo [filtered word],
Swag scare your kids,
My airplane clothes flyer than your bestes [filtered word],
Gorillas in the mist, pro black pump they fist,
I'm from the planet of the apes, King kong clips,
Silence lambs [filtered word],
Run through your land trippin,
Can't pretend when this is real as it gets can ya,
If [filtered word] hits the fan, I Ron Artest niggas,
This how I'm living getting tatted in some house slippers,
I like my bitches simple, laid back, relax it's mental,
[filtered word] you know what I do,
Tell me what you tryna get into,
The man cars rented,
The man car killing,
Gossiping [filtered word] the car look at the man in it
Ha boys to man business,
We don't hire bitches,
Just fire bitches,
It's young money fire spitters,
Them red ants is with us
And they ain't ate they dinner,

Beginners feast, feet lying fatality finish,
I'm killin these records they put me in guiness
I really don't giv a f-f-uck if you witness,
You hear it, listen, buy it, steal it,
I'm still gonna get my [filtered word] percentage,
I cuss a lot cause [filtered word] I'm seers,
Young no beard, get soup,
Like gumbo with shrimp,
Flyer than Dumbo ears is, [filtered word],

[Lil Wayne:]
Uhh, now let me start by sayin
I don't like this beat,
But I'm a weather the storm I'm a lightening streak,
Uhh, Weezy F baby, I do it big weigh me,
Them crazy freaky bitches try to cirque du soliel me,
Got some new bitches, trail got me laughing,
The one that gave me head can suck the nail out a casket,
Shot gun on the kitchen table,
The shells in the cabinet,
[filtered word] with me is like stepping on the tail of a dragon,
Wet [filtered word] is my cabin,
More bitches than a pageant,
I keep a house full successful and attractive African American call me bob sagat,
Spending time backwards,
Hotter than a cactus,
And we ain't in the building we the [filtered word] contractors,

Y YM, why muthafuck why hate it,
Young Money down your throat gotta stay hydrated,
Quarter bag weezy,
Young time brady,
Open up your mouth and catch a bomb baby,
Hehe good morning dude,
Eagle street corner dude,
Long dough, no short bread, no lorna doon,
I'm warning you,
We on the move,
Bunch of female dogs and garden tools,
That's bitches and hoes,
Hospital full, sick of my flow,
Hip hop was washed up so I bought some change to finish my load,
I load millions and more millions,
Money to the ceiling,
successful and attractive African American no ceiling!

[Shanell:]
Step up in this [filtered word] 5 o clock in the morning,
The world is waking up you can hear the pigeons yawning,
I'm a get that worm now,
Tell em it's my turn now,
Yo niggas need a lesson on some ethic you gon learn now,
I do this for the love of it,
Saliva cause I love to spit,
And I juke it for my future records
You gon love to spin,
[filtered word] with my bredren 10 years strong,
And he put them dreds in silver john long,
But he's more like platinum,
Hold up heres a napkin,
Pick your jaw up off the floor
And tuck your tongue right back in,
Tell me where is Mack Maine
... That's all I have

And try this little Google search..
https://www.google.com/search?q=hip%20hop%20whores%20and%20bitch%20lyric...

It's time to drop the '[filtered word]' from hip-hop

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2012/sep/19/[filtered word]-hip-hop

This from the UK.. Care to defend it..