Love how people who want to ban guns know so little about them.. And some of theses comments are prime examples..

Need to check your facts some..

Like this..
"Myth: If someone had a gun at the scene of a mass shooting, tragedy could have been prevented. Fact: There is no credible evidence that the carrying of hidden, loaded weapons decreases crime."

I can name 3 times without Google where someone with a gun stopped a mass shooting..
First Clackamas Town Center... When faced with a armed man who was legally caring the gun ran into a stairwell and shot himself..
Second Pearl MS.. The Principal got his gun from his car and stopped the gunman. Yes he killed two people before he was stopped.. And hence no further victims..
Third Colorado Springs , armed guard kills gunman at a church, he killed two before he was killed. Again no further victims..

The biggest mass shooting in the US was by the US government. 1890 Wounded Knee, best guess approx 290 most unarmed women, children and old men who had given up their weapons to the US government..

Guns are banned in the UK but 2 police women where killed recently by being shot and then blown up with a grenade..

If you want to look at the effects of banning something and how well it works look to drugs.. They are illegal but you get them easy..
Hell looked how well Prohibition worked.. You ban guns in the US and the cartel will just ship them over the border with the drugs.. Yea that sounds like a good idea..

[quote][b]jo15765[/b] -
So true...somehow people always tend to blame anything on him. The constant scapegoat for any affliction or ailment.
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Yea kind of like everything Obama does wrong is Bush's fault..

We was not banned for the sockpuppet he was banned for reporting someone to the admins who said he was causing trouble and banned him.. That I what I am getting from him. As to the other side of the story well... And I agree there is a basis here when it comes to who can say what and get away with it..

[quote][b]friendlyfire[/b] - Eighty percent of the world’s gun deaths occur in America.
That's laughable. Most gun deaths in the US take place in cities run by Democrats.
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Really, can you back that up with some proof.. I would think that the 7k or so killed in the US is far over eclipsed by the gun deaths in Africa alone.. not to count the other hotspots in the world.. Man the "facts" that you folks pull out of the air..

[quote][b]jlscott[/b] -
Think "Moonie." Remember the bug-eyed people who used to approach you in airports asking for money? They could only reply with scripted comments.
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Ah.. Ok.. thanks for the info.. =)

[quote][b]dahreese[/b] - "When will the glorification of the culture of insane and murderous rednecks end?"
When will the neglect of the mentally ill in this country end?
You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
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Why does one have to bring politics into this?
I agree with you up until the political comment..

What about the hidden history of the Dems being all KKK members.. And all for slave ownership etc.. And every time I post that comment I here all about how that was the past and not who they are now. So be it for the NRA..
Yawn the past is the past.. Deal with the present..

[quote][b]grove600[/b] - And I see RWE got banned. Coincidence? [/quote]

I missed that.. Any idea for what.. ?

Archeological digs on plantations on the Ga coast have shown that slaves where armed. They have found good evidence for that.. Kind of shoots this down..

[quote][b]TeeWee[/b] - @Ravenbear:
The citizens of Australia (and Great Britton for that matter) are not protected by the US Constitution nor the Second and Third Amendments.
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You do know that there is a bill to repel the second and rumors from Biden that Obama with use his executive powers to by pass congress for gun control..

[quote][b]TeeWee[/b] - @Ravenbear:
You are wrong. Texas has enacted an 85 MPH speed limit on selected roads and several states are considering such. AZ was looking at building a road between Phoenix and Tucson with a MINIMUM speed of 75 MPH. Read, The Montana Paradox. For years Montans had a Reasonible and Proper speed limit. Rich Europeans and Arabs would ship their super cars to Montana so they could drive them at speed. Several years ago that state bowed to federal,pressure and enacted a 75 MPH speed limit. The Feds also gave the state money for strict enforcement of this new speed limit. The Fatality rate in Montana skyrocketed. The term "Speed Kills" is an urban legend. You will never find anyone who has "Speed" listed as the cause of death.
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I said I think it was 75mph.. So you are going to try and tell me that going fast does not lead to more accidents.. And that in case of a wreck the your chances of staying better if you are going fast.. And no you will not see speed as a cause of death.. But you will see it as a contributing factor, just like DUI..
So to sum it up you are saying that unlimited speed is safer.. No matter what studies have shown.
And please back this up having driven through Montana several times I have never seen that in many years I have done it.. And there are closer places than Montana to ship a car to go fast it you Arab..

But this link alone negates your comment that it is safer to speed..
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/809915.pdf

[quote][b]Ben Had[/b] - If you believe you need an AR 15 w/100 round clips, I believe you have a mental illness. Extreme Paranoid Delusion syndrome. You need meds.[/quote]

And I believe the same thing to anyone that owns a car that can go over the maximum speed limit in the US which is 75 I believe why do you need a car that can go that faster than the max speed limit no need for it.... Cars kill way more people than guns.. DUI kills more also.. Oh wait driving drunk is already illegal..

[quote][b]Ben Had[/b] - Australia hasn't had a mass murder since it enacted gun control in 1996, but I believe there were 11 in the decade preceding that. [/quote]

They banned all guns.. You cannot get a carry permit period and getting a long gun is a major pain in the ass which you can lose the right to own if you get a speeding ticket and the wrong judge.... In the first two weeks I was there there were 6 murders in Sydney with handguns.. So much for banning them..

[quote][b]Anonymous Dude[/b] -
Gotta call this one...Are you asserting that gun crime is higher in Australia, the UK, the EU, Japan, Singapore, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Canada...do you realize that US gun crime is worse than in all these countries, and worse than in nearly every governmentally stable nation on Earth?!!
IMHO, the country with the intellectually bankrupt sheeple is the one wherein the most sheeple are being freaking SHOT...
That's America the Beautiful, dude.
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Dunno seems pretty bad there and other places with gun control..

[quote][b]jlscott[/b] -
No, CBS news was blowing a political blast well before he did. It was disgusting enough that I was quite in agreement with his statement when he made it.
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Yup.. It had already started way before I said anything..

[quote][b]RightWingExtremist[/b] - @keepitsimple: Don't know why but that was a bit infuriating. He is my father, but that doesn't always mean I walk with him in lockstep.
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Why? 36000 people died last year in DUIs and mourning or crying for them.. I find all this just so false..
And if your read what I said I acknowledged it was a tragedy.. But in the grand scheme of things...

[quote][b]keepitsimple[/b] - Funny, the first political gun control comment I saw from all of this was from...............YOUR DAD!
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Yup... and your point is..

Lay off Charles.. The anti gun folks where already spewing this stuff minutes after it happened..
No on cried or mourns for the 36000 that died last year in DUIs..

Oh and to add, they are now saying 2 gunman..

This was a tragedy today that involved a spineless, cowardly, asshat behind a gun. People died and people are wounded. very sad. i have a 9 year step, daughter,2 sons and a beautiful wife; both are my world, and I don't know what I would do they were taken. BUT that gun did not wake up this morning, clean its little bbl and brush its firing pin, get coffee, and walk out the door to the incident site and start shooting. No, a person made a decision, no matter what mental capacity at the time, and picked up in animate gun, loaded gun, aimed, fired, and shot people. GUNS do not Kill people. just the same as drunks that continue to drive wile intoxicated. People use guns as a tool, Criminals use them as a tool. So, for all you screaming tree-hugging pacificsitc liberal, Costas and Whitlock loving, believe MSNBC and CNN as the word of God types: do me a favor, research the actual FBI stats on which is more deadly in the past 3 years: guns or DUIs. and do not even start down the 'assault weapons' speel until you can 100% correctly define, according to the BATFE and the NFA, what a real "assault weapon" is defined as. For my solid 2A supporters out there. brace yourselves, lib lip poop is about to hit the fan.

If Unions are so good, why do they need to intimidate folks into joining them or agreeing with them..
Just look at the thugs in MI why?
If it is so good people should be flocking to it..

@dahreese: Name one thing in the past 30 years Unions have done for the worker..
Second Michigan is a Union state but it seems the Unions did nothing to stop most of the auto jobs from shipping overseas, blame the GOP all you want but the Dems have held enough power to stop it.. Same here in PA with the steel mills and coal mines.. Oh btw coal is heavy Union and it is Obama that is killing the industry here..

Oh and so you agree with the UAW forcing Chrysler to hire back the drunks that where fried for drinking.. Oh that is a grand thing for a union.. just Grand..

[quote][b]Lazarus Laughs Last[/b] - @Ravenbear:
Au contaire, Ravenbear, you have conveniently left out additional information. What a surprise! Is that a development from hunter-gatherer to pick-and-chooser?
"It has occasionally been argued that the Supreme Court, in Torcaso v Watkins, "found" Secular Humanism to be a religion. This assertion is based on a reference, by Justice Black, in a footnote (number 11) to the court's finding, to court cases where organized groups of self-identified Humanists, or Ethicists, meeting on a regular basis to share and celebrate their beliefs, have been granted religious-based tax exemptions. [2]
Justice Black's use of the term "secular humanism" in his footnote has been seized upon by some religious groups, such as those supporting causes such as teaching creationism in schools, as a "finding" that any secular or science-based activity is, in fact, religion.[3][4] [5]

However, such attempts to conflate non-religious, secular or scientific ideas and activities with religion have been explicitly rejected by subsequent courts, most notably Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, where U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III ruled that intelligent design is not science, that it "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents", and that the school district's promotion of it therefore violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (see Intelligent Design).[6] In fact, prior to its use by Justice Black, the term "Secular Humanism" had never before been used in any court case, and it is unclear why Justice Black used the term in this instance, other than to perhaps emphasize the groups' non-belief in any divine force."
Source: Your friends at Wikipedia
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Well you need to do a bit more research..
http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
federal court of appeals ruled yesterday Wisconsin prison officials violated an inmate’s rights because they did not treat atheism as a religion.

“Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being,” the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals said.

The court decided the inmate’s First Amendment rights were violated because the prison refused to allow him to create a study group for atheists.

Brian Fahling, senior trial attorney for the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy, called the court’s ruling “a sort of Alice in Wonderland jurisprudence.”

“Up is down, and atheism, the antithesis of religion, is religion,” said Fahling.

The Supreme Court has said a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being. In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the court described “secular humanism” as a religion.

Fahling said today’s ruling was “further evidence of the incoherence of Establishment Clause jurisprudence.”

“It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.

Also by all standard put down by scholars atheism meets the tenants of a religion, I posted Ninian Smart's book, Dimensions of the Sacred which is used by most scholars in the area of religion to define what is religion, atheism meets those tenants.. Working on my Masters in Religious Studies this is right up my alley..

@catman: Hey why do you not find some less bias sources.. And I might buy into it.. But from a prog site.. nope.. Oh you do know that Mars's temp is going up at the same rate as our.. Wonder how we are doing that..
See in the 70's in was the Ice Age coming back, now this.. We are in planetary cycle and temps are increasing in our solar system.. But to say that man is the total reason is stupid.

Oh and before you say it because I do not agree with you, I will say it for you, I am a stupid redneck, etc..