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Israel halts plans to explore new settlements

posted @ Saturday, December 7, 2013 - 06:59

Obama in Israel for first trip as president

Larry Greenfield summarizes BO's mindset regarding Israel quite well:
http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2013/03/obamas-mirage-in-israel....

posted @ Wednesday, March 20, 2013 - 13:08

U.S.: Israel must recognize changed Mideast dynamics

@bobby light: so why has bo expanded the cesspool?

posted @ Friday, March 15, 2013 - 20:25

U.S.: Israel must recognize changed Mideast dynamics

Before Khomeini came to power, Israel and Iran had a good relationship - there was trade, academic exchange, even military cooperation. There was genuine mutual respect between the two countries which was in stark contrast to the other countries in the area.

Obama's statement: " Israel's security depends in part on its ability to court Arab public opinion" truly reveals the depths of his ignorance about the region.

posted @ Friday, March 15, 2013 - 11:00

Israel may feel need to strike Syria again

[quote][b]diego[/b] - @louie53:
Sorry. I should have been clearer. American right-wingers decry socialism everywhere else in the world, but have no qualms with Israel's social safety net, health care system, etc. (nor do I)
During the days of the cold war, Israel had the most socialized economy of any country outside of the Soviet Bloc, but our US conservatives were untroubled by that fact, while at the same time, still seething about FDR.
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I'm not sure you can compare the U.S. during that time period with Israel. A socialistic system in those early days of Israeli's very existence was essential for her survival. Things have really changed dramatically since then with a move towards a more competitive economy. (Many people who lived on the collectives - kibbutzim were driven to escape to the cities to pursue their individual goals and dreams...but that's another story).
Also, the early government-controlled healthcare system in Israel really sucked with its ineffective, aggravating bureaucracy, long lines which created ripe conditions for a 'medical black market' (i.e., those with the means would pay a lot of money for quicker access).

posted @ Friday, February 1, 2013 - 17:29

Israel may feel need to strike Syria again

[quote][b]Follow the Money[/b] -
Indeed. Anyone who was bored enough to go back and do a little research would see that the situation is nowhere near how you describe. One area of foreign policy isn't singled out 100% of the time. Protests are posted about other countries as well. Maybe Israel does get a little more heat, but it is purely in relation to the number of articles posted about that country and in relation to their impact on the region.
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Without Israel, the U.N. would lose its raison d'etre considering it spends 99% of its time making resolutions that condemn Israel for one imaginary reason after another.

posted @ Friday, February 1, 2013 - 15:30

Israel may feel need to strike Syria again

[quote][b]RightWingExtremist[/b] -
Can you explain why we give billions of dollars, planes and tanks to the people who want to wipe them clean off the face of the planet, who are themselves religious zealots?
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[/quote]
if it provided any 'influence' or leverage it would make sense but that doesn't seem to be the case unfortunately.

posted @ Friday, February 1, 2013 - 15:21

Israel may feel need to strike Syria again

@diego:

[quote][b]diego[/b] -
Thanks, but how does one explain the right wing's double standards involving Israel's behavior regarding socialism?
[/quote]

I'm not sure what you are referring to - Israel is a multi-party parliamentary style government that indeed includes a socialist party among the many parties that compose it. Are you referring to the kibbutzim? or what?

posted @ Friday, February 1, 2013 - 15:17

Israel may feel need to strike Syria again

@RightWingExtremist:

shalom l'cha yadid sheli. H'kol b'seder - Looks like you've been studying Hebrew - kol hakavod! Smile

posted @ Friday, February 1, 2013 - 15:07

Israel may feel need to strike Syria again

[quote][b]diego[/b] -
That's a really shopworn "argument"
He may hate Israel (I don't know), but that does not make him an anti-Semite.
A nation does not necessarily equal one race/religion/culture. In fact, Israel contains many races, religions, and cultures. It is a tolerant nation in a region where that is not always the case.
[/quote]

Israel is a Jewish state - (the only one). Many people consider the double standards involving Israel's behavior regarding self-defense are due to this fact.

posted @ Friday, February 1, 2013 - 14:09

"You'll be Fine, Darling" by Pat Mena

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] -
This would be expected in Isreal which is under constant threat. It doesn't compare with the US at all. And, yes, many females can access that primitive violence, but not nearly like males. It seems males have to constantly find a way to suppress that desire in order to be civilized. Same with their sexuality. Some are better at that than others; some have no control whatsoever.
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(A sense of duty to serve one's country is not limited to one that is under threat.) More to the point - don't you think it's simply human nature to want to protect oneself and one's 'family'?

Studies of bonobos and chimpanzees (our closest primate relatives) show that bonobos have evolved into very peaceful creatures (using sex for conflict resolution) while chimpanzee society is a violent one. Speculation is that food availability factors very much into the reason for this among others.

posted @ Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 07:01

"You'll be Fine, Darling" by Pat Mena

@E.J.: I think it may have to do with both cultural and personality. I don't know anyone personally who has volunteered here in the U.S., however, in Israel, where service is compulsory for both men and women, there are some people who will volunteer for the more difficult, dangerous units wishing to do their utmost to serve the country, while others will simply accept whatever job they're assigned. Everyone is tested to determine their particular strengths, skills, abilities. It doesn't appear that gender enters the picture from what I've seen.

posted @ Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 19:22

Viral picture of baby holding doctors finger....

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] -
Is it possible for people to antropomorphise babies? I guess so. Puzzled
[/quote]

only 'human' babies Smile

posted @ Saturday, January 5, 2013 - 09:55

Report: GOP senators won’t confirm Kerry until Clinton testifies on Benghazi

I wonder just who came up with the 'video' idea. Remember that Clinton and Obama also made an advertisement for Libyan television condemning the 'offensive video' very early on before any investigation began. Shouldn't the president have to also testify? and what about all of the other survivors from the Benghazi compound? Surely they have information to provide.

posted @ Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 06:55

McGown: Israelis not blameless

@dahreese:

some perspective for idiots such as yourself: http://www.mapsofwar.com/images/Religion.swf

posted @ Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 06:44

Thousands sign US petition to deport Piers Morgan

@RightIswrong:

in the '80's (from Israel) I watched footage of Kurds in Iraq slaughtered with chemical weapons. It was not a fabrication - it was a crime against humanity. What makes you think it couldn't or hasn't happened again?

posted @ Tuesday, December 25, 2012 - 16:41

Thousands sign US petition to deport Piers Morgan

@Hardscrabble:

What I walk away with from this article is that the situation is quite complicated and that the simplistic clamoring for 'strict gun control' as a solution may actually cause us to delude ourselves into a false sense of safety. After the recent shocking and horrifying event in Connecticut, people are naturally desperate for a sense of control and seek a way to prevent such a horrific situation from occurring again. The factors that influence the degree of violent crime in different places include other things besides the number of guns available. It seems that the authors here want to point out the need to not simply take things for granted, i.e., less guns, less homicides.

posted @ Tuesday, December 25, 2012 - 15:46

Thousands sign US petition to deport Piers Morgan

@Hardscrabble:

I didn't realize that the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy (http://www.garymauser.net/pdf/KatesMauserHJPP.pdf) was considered a 'student-run partisan publication'. Does having a 'conservative' stance on legal issues automatically imply that the data is somehow lacking validity?

Furthermore, the Don B. Kates who co-authored this article is a retired professor of law and criminology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Kates

And although Gary Mauser 'teaches business' his interest in public safety has been a focus of his studies: http://www.garymauser.net/

Feel free to share any criticism of their study in which 'they got the numbers wrong'.

posted @ Tuesday, December 25, 2012 - 11:13

Thousands sign US petition to deport Piers Morgan

(I posted this earlier today on a different thread but it bears reposting)

a study at Harvard by two criminologists found that gun control is actually counterproductive:

"The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.
The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:
Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population)."

posted @ Monday, December 24, 2012 - 15:45

NRA calls for armed police officer in every school

a study at Harvard by two criminologists found that gun control is actually counterproductive:

"The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.

The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population)."

posted @ Monday, December 24, 2012 - 12:57

Knife attack at school! 22 children injured!

some perspective:

In the U.S. there are:

~10,000 gun deaths per year
~3,000 knife deaths per year
>25% of gun death are done by 17-24 year old
>15% by 14-17 year old

of the 60 mass shooting sprees in the USA since 1982 over 78% are due to legal owned guns and ~12% gun obtained illegally.

Additionally, in the U.S. there are:

30,000 driving deaths per year
10,000 are drunk driving deaths
Of these car accidents, over 1,200 are children ages lower than 14.

So what's the solution? no more alcohol, no more cars, no more knives, no more guns?

posted @ Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 08:36

McGown: Israelis not blameless

@dahreese: you want some 'honesty'? then look in the mirror and you'll see one pathetic antisemitic sob - end of 'discussion'.

posted @ Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 22:16

McGown: Israelis not blameless

@dahreese: The answer to your question regarding the 'Palestinian' of post-1967 versus the people living in the land nearly 4,000 years ago is no. The term 'Palestine' is believed to come from the Romans. In the 2nd century A.D., the Romans crushed the revolt of Shimon Bar Kokhba (132 CE), during which Jerusalem and Judea were captured and the area of Judea was renamed Palaestina in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. Under the Ottoman Empire (1517-1917), the term Palestine was used as a general term to describe the land south of Syria; it was not an official designation. In fact, many Ottomans and Arabs who lived in Palestine during this time period referred to the area as "Souther Syria" and not as "Palestine."

After World War I, the name "Palestine" was applied to the territory that was placed under British Mandate; this area included not only present-day Israel but also present-day Jordan.

Leading up to Israel's independence in 1948, it was common for the international press to label Jews, not Arabs, living in the mandate as Palestinians. (Several of my relatives born in Israel before 1948 have 'Palestinian' written on their birth certificates.) It was not until years after Israeli independence that the Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were called Palestinians although as I've written before - those in Gaza were in fact Egyptian and those in the 'West Bank' were Jordanian.( What's particularly interesting is that Arabs cannot even correctly pronounce the word Palestine (there's no 'P') in their native tongue, referring to area rather as“Filastin.” )

The Jews who remained in Israel throughout the past 3,000+ years (Mizrahim) were indeed conquered, persecuted and murdered by the reigning conquerors - (Babylonians, Persians,Romans, Ottomans, British).

Israel has tried repeatedly to make peace - she has made concessions, given up land, changed policies, returned terrorist prisoners in the hopes that there would be peace. The response has been more terror attacks and pledges to drive every last Jew from the land (see both the Hamas and Fatah charters).

So my question again is what do you want?

posted @ Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 02:38

McGown: Israelis not blameless

@dahreese: all land - all countries have been acquired and established through conquest or wars so what is your point? The fact the there is an actual historical connection along with a Jewish presence to the land of Israel going back more than 3,000 years makes our 'claim' to this land a valid one. What is your problem? What do you want - specifically?

posted @ Friday, December 14, 2012 - 14:48

McGown: Israelis not blameless

@dahreese:

What exactly do you want?

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2012
The Real "Obstacle to Peace"

by Peter Martino

Why should any country sign an agreement if it will just be invalidated a few years later?
Iran is building nuclear weapons, Syria is slaughtering its citizens, Libya is being taken over by al-Qaeda, Egypt is threatened with another Pharaoh, Turkey is working toward rebuilding the Ottoman Empire, and Christians are being massacred in Egypt, Nigeria and Mali (among other countries). But last Thursday, the European Commission summoned the Israeli Ambassador to the European Union (EU) over Israel's plan to build 3,000 new homes in Judea, Samaria and eastern Jerusalem. The Israeli plans were a response to the United Nations' decision on 29 November to grant the Palestinian Authority the status of a UN non-member observer state, in direct violation of the UN's own Resolutions 242, 338, and 1850 -- an overruling the UN Charter specifically forbids.

The Palestinian move was also in direct violation of its bilateral September 28, 1995, Oslo II agreements, in which the both the Palestinians and the Israelis, in Article 31, consented that "nether side shall initiate or take any step that will change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the Permanent Status negotiations."

Why should any country sign an agreement if it will just be invalidated a few years later?
Canada, in response to the Palestinian Authority's illegal behavior, immediately recalled its diplomats assigned to the West Bank; however, the same illegal behavior was lavishly rewarded shortly thereafter by several European countries who summoned Israel's ambassadors -- a precedent that can only be understood to signal that, as so often at the UN, illegal behavior -- as in oil for food, or sex for food -- will be rewarded -- or at least not reprimanded -- in the future.

Maja Kocijancic, spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, emphasized that it is very exceptional for the Commission, the executive body of the EU, to summon an ambassador.

The ambassador met Ashton's deputy Pierre Vimont, who expressed the EU's concern about the Israeli building plans. The EU wants the project annulled: it is said to be "an obstacle to peace." Not the PLO or Hamas Charters, which call for Israel's destruction, or the hundreds of rockets fired into at Israel over the last month, or Iran's continual and illegal -- under both the UN's own Charter and the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide -- calls for genocide in "wiping Israel…": No, no, no these are not threats to peace worth mentioning or bothering about. The Czech Republic was the only one of the 27 EU member states to join the US, Canada, Israel, Panama and four Micronesian island states in voting against the UN resolution to upgrade the status of the PA within the UN. Twelve EU members, including Germany, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and all the EU states from Eastern Europe, were among the 41 UN members who abstained. The remaining fourteen EU members, consisting of the entire Latin and Mediterranean bloc and the Scandinavians, were among the 138 nations that voted in favor of the Palestinian Authority.

There is also some good news, however. In Italy, one of the countries which backed the recognition of the PA as a UN non-member observer state, one hundred members of the Italian Parliament protested the decision of the government to do so. The parliamentarians belong to the PdL party of former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, which withdrew its support of the Italian government last week. In Belgium, another country which supported the enhanced status of the PA within the UN, the decision led to a rift within the governing center-right MR party. Half the MR senators oppose the government's pro-Palestinian line.

Nevertheless, it is striking to see that within the EU there is but one country courageous enough to stand with Israel: the Czech Republic. Most EU members backed the Palestinian claims. The governments that took a neutral position by abstaining can only be found in the countries that suffered under Communist dictatorship, in Germany (previously, partly under Communist rule), Britain and the Netherlands.

The Scandinavians and the Irish traditionally pursue leftist international policies which are by definition critical of Israel; the Mediterranean rim together with Belgium, Luxembourg and Austria, have since the 1970s and 80s conducted a foreign policy that aims to appease North Africa and the Arab world.

The dependency on Arab oil and the fact that millions of immigrants from North Africa have settled within the borders of these EU states explain this appeasement policy.

Apart from the European Commission, several EU governments bilaterally expressed their dissatisfaction with the Israeli building plans. As 14 of the 27 EU members took a pro-Palestinian position in the UN while thirteen did not, it is unlikely that the EU will impose trade sanctions over the construction plans. A vocal critical stance will, however, be taken, also by the twelve EU members that abstained in the UN.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel expressed her dissatisfaction in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The United Kingdom followed the French, Spanish, Danish and Swedish example of summoning the Israeli ambassador over the housing projects. British Foreign Secretary William Hague said that, although there did not appear to be any "enthusiasm" in the EU for a move to impose economic sanctions on Israel, "if there is no reversal [of the Israeli decision] we will want to consider what further steps European countries should take."

Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans told the Dutch media that the Netherlands will raise pressure on Israel to stop its building projects. It is unlikely that Timmermans will follow the example of his predecessor Uri Rosenthal, who last year vetoed a critical EU report on the Israeli settlements. The Dutch ambassador to Tel Aviv urged the Israeli government to stop the building project.

Meanwhile, the civil servants of the European Commission are pursuing their anti-Israeli policies. The Commission recently sponsored a workshop to investigate how to label goods made in the Israeli "settlements" and prevent them from being sold in Europe. Mary Robinson, former president of Ireland and UN high commissioner for Human Rights, and Martti Ahtisaari, former president of Finland and Nobel peace prize winner, are patrons of a movement to boycott such Israeli products. EU officials want the products labeled so that they can be differentiated from other Israeli products. As the EU does not recognize that Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem are part of Israel, products from these areas would be subject to EU import duties.

Last August, the European Commission issued a ruling ordering EU customs authorities to check the origin of Israeli products in order to exclude "settlement goods from preferential treatment." The Commission made a list of so-called "non-eligible locations" – Jewish towns in Judea and Samaria – which are to be targeted. "Operators are advised to consult the list before lodging a customs declaration for releasing goods for free circulation," the EU document states. The communities on the EU blacklist are non-eligible for duty-free status under the EU-Israel Free Trade Agreement.

The EU blacklist is a violation of international free trade; it is also reminiscent of the 1933 Nazi boycott of Jewish products.

Peter Martino

Source: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3494/obstacle-to-peace

posted @ Friday, December 14, 2012 - 12:03

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