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If funding was a factor, why didn't the State Department tell that to the ambassador. Your assuming a cause and effect when clearly there is none.

posted @ Saturday, January 25, 2014 - 20:52

@Dr Benway: She was a republican when she was pulling herself up by her bootstraps. When she became an obvious gold digger living off of her husband's largess before leaving him with the debt and her children, she became a democrat. By the way, I believe he is still a republican.

posted @ Saturday, January 25, 2014 - 13:07

@Abc: You forgot racist...

posted @ Saturday, January 25, 2014 - 13:01

And now you understand the disincentive to high earners of having the top rate at 91%. I think we are making progress.

posted @ Saturday, January 25, 2014 - 02:51

I was so impressed that Sherman was able to speak so emotionally, loud and fast without using profanity, that I am giving him a pass on this. I thought Erin did a good job also.

posted @ Wednesday, January 22, 2014 - 15:01

[quote][b]RightWingExtremist[/b] - As I can tell, he isn't being punished for any of it.[/quote]

That is because he is executing the "Limbaugh Theorem" to perfection. He is the President, but his main goal is to make sure that none of his policies can be tied back to him.

posted @ Tuesday, January 21, 2014 - 15:06

@dzogchen: Well, you know what they say...The only thing wrong with capitalism is capitalists. Of course they also say that the only thing wrong with socialism is socialism.

posted @ Monday, January 20, 2014 - 14:04

@cyou299: Companies produce and hire the appropriate personnel up to that point where marginal income equals marginal cost. The difference is profit and they will not hire when it is negative.

posted @ Sunday, January 19, 2014 - 15:26

@E.J.: I don't believe the half is the half you think it is Smile

posted @ Sunday, January 19, 2014 - 08:17

@E.J.: Only those who are too weak to handle the truth can be manipulated. I have noticed a troubling trend of the "blaming them" attitude among our citizens. Seems to me every time that has happened down through the ages, it has been followed by a tyranny of the vilest sort.

posted @ Saturday, January 18, 2014 - 11:06

@monkey_of_shame: Read Michael Roses's Goodbye Good Men and then get back to me on whether you still believe it was caused by conservatives in the Church.

posted @ Saturday, January 18, 2014 - 10:52

@E.J.: The more precise term would be pederasty. Just say in'

posted @ Saturday, January 18, 2014 - 10:45

[quote][b]pinkears3[/b] - Murderers do not get a pass into heaven .[/quote]

Well that would depend on whether he repented and turned to Christ wouldn't it.

posted @ Friday, January 17, 2014 - 19:08

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - We prefer organizations that gives over 80% of their donations or income to those in need.[/quote]

Yes do tell, all those environmental lawyers and activists are truly in need. This is beside the point give to who you want to and I will give to who I prefer.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - The other side of this coin is the estimated $71 billion in annual government subsidies that are granted to religious establishments.[/quote]

Secular charities receive as much if not more in government what. PP gets direct government funding. If you change the laws it simply means more for the government to waste and less for the charities to distribute.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - FBOs are more likely than congregations to serve the general public rather than their own members and to target their services to low-income groups.[/quote]

So church members are not part of the general public. Low income people don't go to church?

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - According to the Boston College's Center on Wealth and Philanthropy, the ranking of states by personal generosity -- a ranking that corrects for cost of living and tax burden -- blue states do fine: Of the top five states, four -- New York, California, Connecticut, and Maryland -- are blue.[/quote]

I guess you figured that if you throw out enough obfuscation, you could prove your assertions. You say this study corrects for cost of living and tax burden, but does it measure charitable giving as a percentage of income? You mention the top 5 states; what do the top 25 look like?

As I said, the myth that conservatives are stingy has been destroyed. The only money we are stingy with is OPM by believing that the federal government should stick to a few basic things it can do well and leave everything else to the states or the people. Maybe if the tax burden wasn't so high in those blue states, they could find more money in their wallet for charity and your argument would carry the day.

posted @ Friday, January 17, 2014 - 17:52

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Arthur Brooks' methodology was flawed.[/quote]

His methodology was different than what MIT used, but he is still widely cited. You disagree and that is fine.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Most churches rarely use more than 20% of their donations towards charities. So to conclude that religious church going folks (or conservatives) are more charitable than secularists (or liberals) is misleading and deceptive.[/quote]

And where exactly do the gifts from liberals go? To political Pacs, lobbying organizations and groups such as Planned Parenthood. I am sure they are giving away tons to charities...NOT.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - And to also conclude that liberals or secularists want to give other people's money to the poor is also misleading and duplicitous. You forget that their taxes are also used and they also give private contributions, too. [/quote]

So do conservatives, but we believe in using logic when it comes to designing programs for the poor. $15 trillion since 1965 and we have more people in poverty than ever before. The most charitable thing one could say about the 'War on Poverty" is that we have done a reasonably good job at treating the symptoms, but have come no where close to a cure. When you pay mothers to have more babies and no husbands, you are probably going to get just that.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - It is the conservatives and the religious who constantly vote selfishly in the ballot box that reenforces their lack of empathy. [/quote]

Well if you know how they are voting, I guess you would agree that we do need a photo ID system to reduce fraud. That is an assertion you will never prove, so I will ignore it.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Also your anecdotal evidence does not take into consideration the cost of living factor in incomes between San Franciscans and South Dakotans. And when you factor that into the equation, blue states and red states charitable giving is about the same.[/quote]

Wrong again...the median income for Alabama is $41,400 and for California is $57,300. Per capita is $23,000 and $29,200 respectively. The studies show that red states give a higher percentage of income than do blue states. The higher cost of living is offset by higher income.

posted @ Friday, January 17, 2014 - 12:20

@catman: MSLSD just wishes they had Fox's audience. You Progs are never going to be happy as long as you nurture that "ole green monster". Lay tha load of garbage down son and live!

posted @ Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 16:17

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - I don't know why I provide this information because you didn't provide your source for your comments,[/quote]

Sorry about that, as I have cited Brooks' study previously on these forums. Thanks for your citation.

The study by MIT does take into account that breaking down people's belief systems is fraught with problems because we are complex. However, my criticism of the MIT study would be that when you homogenize the variables, you would expect no significant difference in outcomes.I believe that Brooks' basic contentions still stand, although maybe they should be re-stated as religious vs. secularist rather than conservative vs liberal. Specifically: (From First Things by R.J. Neuhaus)

"When one runs all the data and all the variables through the various anayltical grids, it turns out that there are four factors that drive generosity to others. First, the caring are more religiously committed than those who do not give of their time and money. Second, they believe that helping others is more a personal than governmental responsibility. Third, they come from strong families where they have learned the virtue of generosity. And fourth, they believe in helping people to help themselves."

In addition, anecdotal evidence readily accessible show that South Dakotans give much more than San Franciscoans. Of the 25 states with the highest giving as a percentage of income, 24 are solidly red states, voting for conservatives by strong margins.

One thing is clear, no matter which side you may come down on, the perception that conservatives lack empathy for the less fortunate is simply untrue.

posted @ Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 16:13

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - If you got your opinions based on a 2006 study by Arthur Brooks, they are flawed as was his study.[/quote]

Please cite a refutation of Mr. Brooks' study. Nothing from Daily Kooks or Huff-n-Puff please.

His conclusions were that there was a significant difference in the charitable habits of people when measured by religious and political beliefs. While religious conservatives were the most generous, that difference was very small when compared to religious liberals. The large difference was between religious conservatives and the secular left.

The Progressives started in the early 20th century as a "religious' movement, but have morphed into a completly secular group now as Western Civilization has devolved into a post-Christian society. These are the ones' who wish to use other peoples' money to solve social problems, while barely lifting their own finger to assist. Jesus spoke about these in Matthew 23:4.

posted @ Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 12:26

@Jerry NeSmith: I suppose I was confused, as I thought you meant that the Constitution did not give corporations rights, but did grant them to individuals.

posted @ Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 19:04

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Many conservatives think only of "me" instead of "us."[/quote]

Why is it then that conservatives give much more of their time and treasure to charity than do the Progs? I think it is liberals who only think of "someone else's money" instead of "mine". It is so easy to be a Prog; no personal sacrifice, just take it from the other guy. Strange thinking going on here...

posted @ Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 18:51

[quote][b]Jerry NeSmith[/b] - Nor does the constitution.[/quote]

The Constitution does not give anyone rights. It defines and protects them.

posted @ Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 18:45

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Now whose accounts did you draw on? [/quote]

With over 60% of the vote in blue NJ, looks like a lot of Dems voted for the guy.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - And I find it amusing that you used the word "crucified" which I can't but help to think it's a comparison of Christie to Jesus.[/quote]

I don't confuse politicians with the Deity; that is what the Progs do with "The One".

posted @ Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 16:35

The Progs are showing their true colors. All I hear is that Republicans will not compromise on anything and now here is Christie, who by all accounts, works well with the Democrats in NJ and they want him crucified. I am talking to you Avenger!!

posted @ Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 15:27

[quote][b]Farmer GA[/b] - I don't have to have an authority figure to tell me that the sky is blue.[/quote]

Surely not, but any number of us might disagree on what shade of blue on any given day. Complicated stuff...

posted @ Friday, January 3, 2014 - 11:53

[quote][b]TeeWee[/b] - even though it flies in the face of the Constitution.[/quote]

Far from decided as of today...

posted @ Thursday, January 2, 2014 - 17:53

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