[quote][b]retiredandhappy[/b] - hoplophobia? that the fear of rabbits and kangaroos?[/quote]

Irrational fear of weapons

[quote][b]Colonel McCheese[/b] - If they let them keep putting Gideon's Bibles in the cabins, next thing you know the Witnesses or the Mormons will be out knocking on doors at 7am handing out their materials. [/quote]

I don't know exactly how long the Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and cabins, but, I know it has been several decades. The world didn't end and there is not a herd of Witnesses or Mormons harrassing park goers.

This is just stupid. The State did not supply the Bibles. If one does not want to look at a Bible, keep the drawer closed.

What a great project. These kids will remember this long after the day to day "book learnin" has faded.

[quote][b]seagra[/b] - The IRS should be congratulated for pointing out what Congress has failed to do: outlaw tax breaks for any political organization. Are these congress people nuts?[/quote]

So, what you are telling me is that you find it OK for an enforcement wing of the Federal Government to break any law in order to right a percieved wrong? Are you saying that it matters not that they investigate a group because of their political leanings? What happens when someone percieves that you are wrong, for no other reason than your political bent, and sends the IRS attack dogs to knock on your door?

[quote][b]hjfedrick[/b] - You are looking or worried about something that is not there.[/quote]

What are you talking about? It is there. The IRS has admitted to targeting groups just because their names contains such "subversive" words as "tea party" "patriot" "constitution", etc. It also targeted groups that wish to educate people on the constitution or advocate for smaller government. These are not charges that some "right wing" commentator has made, These are things which the IRS has already admitted.

If you can't see that this is an attack on the freedom of us all, there is no hope for you.

The fact that this corrupt agency will be the enforcer for Obamacare should chill you to the bone.

What reason, other than hoplophobia do they have for this?

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - It's interesting that folks who'd normally be for investigation into leaks of classified CIA information that may be beneficial to our enemies are against it.[/quote]

Much like the wiki-leaks case, I am for going after the leaker and not the person/group who prints the leaks. Freedom of the Press is too important to allow this. This puts a chill on every media outlet and makes them think twice before printing something that may anger the powerful.

[quote][b]Millionexus[/b] - We cannot reproduce with members of our same gender, much like a sperm cannot reproduce with another sperm. Does that make humans not a lifeform as well, or is the fact that the egg serves as the opposite gender in the case of the sperm enough to qualify for the sperm being able to reproduce? I think it is.[/quote]

To reproduce, means to reproduce itself. A sperm cannot reproduce itself. It also cannot adapt to life in different environments, You are not going to find a herd of sperm swimming in the local pool or river Humans, as a species, can reproduce themselves. Man and woman get together, generally a baby human is produced. Two sperm get together, two dead sperm. Two egg cells get together, two dead egg cells. They must be produced by a living organism, no amount of time inside that living organism will prepare them to survive, for long, outside that organism. An embryo, on the other hand, grows, develops, and, eventually is fully able to live outside another organism and is generally, able to become a reproductive organism.

Humans cannot reproduce without water. Does that mean that water is alive?

[quote][b]melmarino[/b] - Next moniker - Cresil. It suits you.[/quote]

I kind of like the name Hairyrump. It is close to his old moniker yet far funnier.

@Mr Lightborn: No matter who said it, it still holds true, at least for those of us who value freedom.

A spokesman for Markey said he had only learned of Jones' comments Tuesday. Markey said he believes Confederate relics are highly offensive, and shouldn't be displayed in public.

Another Democrat who spits on the Constitution. I am shocked!!!!!

FGA: Disband the UN; good for you, good for world

[quote][b]Mr Lightborn[/b] - That's rich coming from someone who frequently whines about "the left-leaning AP"[/quote]

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.Voltaire

[quote][b]Ferrol Katz[/b] - @Save our Republic: The Founding Fathers sure seemed to think a "social contract" existed. Perhaps you should read more Locke.[/quote]

There is a concept of a social contract that provides the opportunity to suceed, there is no such animal to guarentee sucess.

We know that Obama, like most of the Federal Government is in the pocket of big buisness. With that and the wholesale printing of money, there is little wonder that the Dow is at 15,000. It is a little higher than it was under Bush, just before the crash and I believe that, with the Feds interfearing with the economy, we are in for an increased frequencey of the Boom to Crash, to Boom cycle.

This kind of reminds me of the episode of Revolution that was on last night. The head thug, Monroe, was so paranoid that he killed one of his closest allies because he falsely believed that the man tried to have him killed. It was later proven that his friend had nothing to do with it. Too late.

Well this puts a chill on "Free Press". But, I guess if Obama does it, it is fine?

[quote][b]Millionexus[/b] - The strictest (and most common) scientific definition of life is -before- conception. Sperm are considered life forms. As such, life science has little to do with the abortion argument, otherwise every man who has had a wet dream or masturbated before would be committing millions of counts of reckless endangerment, and every attempt at conception would be too.[/quote]

Your definition is wrong: Here is the most common definition of life:

The condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

By this definition, sperm and egg cells would not be alive. They do not reproduce, a sperm will not "give birth" to other sperm. They are more correctly described as genetic material used by an organism in the process of reproduction. On the other hand, an embryo, xygote, fetus, etc, is an immature, living organism. It is genetically unique and, in the case of humans, well, human. The embryo, if given the chance to mature, does have the ability to reproduce, grow through metabolism, and adapt to different environments through changes originating internally.

[quote][b]Mr Lightborn[/b] - Splendid!
Hold strong to that position. It will only hasten the demise of your movement.
As I said earlier, "Don't give up the zygote!"[/quote]

I don't just abstractly have that opinion, that very situation (rape) has happened to one of my female relatives. I can't fathom the monster who would kill that lovely little boy, who is now five, because his "father" was a sick monster. Now, what I would like to do to the rapist is another matter all together.

[quote][b]Millionexus[/b] - Someone who disagrees with your definition of life would.[/quote]

Under what scientific definition of life, would a fetus be excluded?

@Mr Lightborn:

[quote][b]Mr Lightborn[/b] - @Farmer GA:
How about rape? Rape and incest?
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Kill the rapist, not the innocent child.

[quote][b]Mr Lightborn[/b] - What medieval mind can entertain an absurdity like "the rights of the unborn"?[/quote]

They are human, genetically unique human life. What sadist would say that they have no human rights?

[quote][b]Lady of the Lake[/b] - I was raised to believe against abortion. However, I do see that there is a necessity in rare times.[/quote]

The same goes for me. I am not saying that abortion has no place in our healthcare system, Life of the mother would be a logical reason for abortion. In that case, you are forced to take a life in order to save a life and, to do nothing would cost two lives.

[quote][b]Mr Lightborn[/b] -
Farmer Brown, you are the one who used the phrase "when they used the most extreme examples to back their philosophy"
To my mind it doesn't get much more extreme than Harper's Ferry.
Unless, you are running some kind of tiny little fetus-sized underground railroad, you are nothing more than just another man who is angrily spouting off because he can not control female reproductive rights.
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Even the most elementary level reading of what I wrote would tell you that I was writing of the most extreme examples of the horrors of slavery and not the extremism of people like John Brown.
In what twisted mind is killing an unborn child a moral choice?