The photo of the protestor looks just like Jerry Rubin of the 60's before he cut his hair, shaved his beard and went to work on Wall Street. Jerry who was always brilliant took personal responsibility for his life in the 80's. He stopped acting out in anger and married a terrific woman. He was very worried about his friend Abbie Hoffman who never changed his mindset and fell into ill health, depression and suicide. Jerry was later killed by a car while crossing Wilshire Blvd.

So it was for 2 of the Chicago 7.

@Joe Johnson:

I really don't want to ever be on your bad side. I respect the job you do and I also respect my right to wonder about very unpopular topics. Abbe never seemed to be afraid to speak his mind. As a physics professor I really don't know what motivated him to explore the connection between McLarty and, as you filled in the blanks, Manzione.

I hope it's safe to ask questions and have opinions here. I knew McLarty only as a customer. He seemed like a very decent man and I was disturbed to hear about his arrest and how he died of pneumonia soon after being imprisoned... or at least that's what I recall reading in the paper.

What about the assault on attorney Scott McLarty and what happened to Winfield Abbe?

@whatsthepoint>

If you give harrumph a minus one and me a minus one, then whatsthepoint?

what is the point? Who is on first, What's on second. I thought you knew that.

BTW, That is playing centerfield in today's line up, so what?

[quote][b]harrumph[/b] - Wow! The racists and xenophobes are out in force here too this morning.[/quote]

I love the smell of xenophobia in the morning. It smells like victory.

We could use a few lessons from China on how to deal with these problems.
China exports their problem dissidents to the US where we not only welcome them but reward them handsomely.

Last week China released an imprisoned blind dissident and allowed his whole family to emigrate to America where he was instantly given a lecturing professorship at Columbia University.

In China, he could only cause problems - make them look bad for the imprisonment and all the bad press that effects even their system.... what if the man fell and hurt himself in prison? Best solution, get with the liberal think tank in the US and liberate the man. Now he will be free to infect his Ivy League audiences with his tales of bravery and freedom. We have an entire industry for creating jobs for the dissidents and protestors of other nations.

As this topic continues, I have considered my posts and I stand by them clearly even though I was accused of throwing a "wet blanket" on the feel good stuff.

Yes, it is human nature to want to feel good. It feels good to do nice things, good things, and then to feel good about all that. I don't doubt it. I was suggesting that it was also valuable to think about all of that, including your motivations. That is not "mind -fuking" or wasteful introspection but rather an opportunity for self discovery that could be valuable. No need to avoid serious contemplation.

So Ravenbear offered a great example of how the process can work. He did not just slip an envelope under a door. He remembered how such a gesture made a difference in his life. For many years those thoughts and feelings were dormant but at some point he understood what was going on in his deepest feelings and he acted upon the insight, consciously, not just to feel good about himself. Then his good act had meaning and was good in itself, and that "goodness" could not be tarnished by ego or other events.

Feeling good is a very weak argument for human behavior.

For a reality test. especially if you are a liberal, ask any legal immigrant how they feel about illegals. Ask any legal immigrant of the last 20 years, any race, any color, any nationality, any gender, any level of wealth or education, any age, and they will tell you how they did it legally. They will also tell you the hardship, the expense, the luck and the perseverance that led them to grateful citizenship. They will tell you the pride they felt in pledging allegiance to America.

As a nation we are devaluing our citizenship and opening avenues for justifying illegal behavior that will erode the very reasons why people seek to come here in the first place.

[quote][b]slickmcdight[/b] - No but what I did do was liquidate on 9/10/01.[/quote]

It was widely discussed that the Saudi's were selling before 9/11 and specifically they were shorting the large international re-insurers. So you had advance warning - very slick!

@jtsim:

I imagine you are speaking of something like Southern Company. Not glamorous, but a very solid performer with a dividend that could support a small private use still.

@slickmcdight:

You know, for many years I supported General Custer believing he was Errol Flynn. Great buckskins, gloves, scarf, music. Later, I switched sides.

sorry, was it 80 million in 30 seconds? doesn't matter.

The retail public is so fooled by the IPO process...same as it always is. We hear about 10 day lock ups and 6 month holding periods and we come to believe that you can't sell your IPO shares, so who was selling 18 million shares in the first 1/2 hour?

The answer- all those insiders who got allocations before the open. They flipped their shares as fast as idiots could buy them. It's a rotten deal because the only way to get allocations at a premium (even less than $38) is to have an arrangement with a broker who then gets about a 40 to 50% kickback in huge commissions. They become your partners and you need several... one to buy from and another account to short in and brokers to manipulate all that in a coordinated way.

We can't do it for a guaranteed profit. But don't blame the Wall Street 1% automatically..... try another 1% like U-2's Bono who is reported to have made more money today on FB than the total of his whole musical career.Liberals don't have to fret though because Bono will probably give away millions to some anti- western militants so everything is rosy.

I expect to see FB retrace to about 36 once it breaks 38. Let's see.

@jebunny:

Since 1980 Carter's incompetence has cost us plenty and he has never let up til this day. He demonstrates the same irrational disregard for facts that today's lemming liberals regurgitate.

Really, I think our local school system would be harder to reform than the solving of the 1979/80 embassy hostage crisis. The school system would take me about 90 days to clean up and 30,000 dollars.

@Follow the Money:

Let's be clear. I am an American.

2) you start these singular attacks and only then do I respond and then you criticize louie and me for our defense. That's about par for the Israeli situation when they respond to terrorism.

3) I try to listen to you, even like you, but you are obsessed with delegitimizing America's only ally in that part of the world.

4) same with ben, son of had. No matter how great isolationism might be we can not return to the days of trading beaver pelts with the French.... even then it was complex and loaded with war.

5) Why not focus your money - saving patriotism on those countries who take our aid but are barely friendly? Why not take out your vitriol on Iran who has never hidden its purpose of conquering the middle east at any cost?

6) Why compare nuclear countries and come to the conclusion that one more, like Iran, is a better idea? Why not take them at their word that they mean to dominate and conquer and even eliminate?

7) Why focus on Israel saying no American lives should be lost there? I agree ,but you must know that the US has never come to the- boots- on -the- ground military aide of Israel. Except for the US LIberty controversy, the US has never deployed in Israel as we have in Iran, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, Pakistan and so forth.

*8) and infinity with your misunderstandings. You're not stupid by a long shot so what is your motivation if we take away that excuse..... ?

@craptastic:

I try very hard to understand everyone here but who is Jerr? Jerry Springer? Or "Just Erotic Romance Reviews"? I mean I try to do my research.

@Follow the Money:

Why bother calling you anything. Even your avatar comes from the bumper sticker page of far left hocus pocus, follow the herd, think like a liberal button magnet for the fridge. These insults are meant to awaken you to your greater intelligence, not the delusional thinking of Mr.

I'll address the issues later with people willing to have a dialogue about the meaning of a nuclear armed Iran.

[quote][b]Ben Had[/b] -
Amen. Add PITA while you're at it.
[/quote]

If by PITA you mean pain in the ass, then you know what pure anti-semitism is. Your positions have little to do with world wide realities - just historical prejudice.
You hide your bias behind ideas like peace, cost of war, lives lost, and an historical record of misinformation and propaganda that began long before 1948. Nothing new, but you guys jumped on it and I responded.

@slickmcdight:

Please don't lose your balls down in the bunker.

We're too hung up about paper documents in the west. In some parts of the world it's a tattoo, a string of cowrie shells, a notch in your surfboard, a hole in your head.

@2dollar:

Sometimes it's a matter of the company you keep.

I prefer cereal at home.

My attorney eats at Stricklands.

All other places mentioned are on my no fly zone of trendy political correctness. I vote with my dollar everyday.

@JP Crisan:

In the 60's it was a great way to meet hot chicks. Are you saying nothing changed?

"Athens-Clarke Commission may crack down "

"on future"

" Occupy protests »"

I must be a slow reader. That's the way I read the headline.

[quote][b]dzogchen[/b] - Ever read "Cutting Through Spiritual Materiality?"[/quote]

I haven't read this but will look at. Have you read Thomas Moore's, "Care of the Soul"? Moore goes into the totality of ourselves quite gently. While we yearn for the Light side we often neglect the Shadow side. Both are essential to our deep soul work..... that's the kind of stuff he explores.