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Haas: As congressional candidate, Hice knows what he believes

@Used2baFreeCountry: "Saul Alinsky dedicated his book "Rules for Radicals" to Lucifer:"

Jesus was a radical, bucking the establishment, always sticking up for the poor, admonishing those conservatives with the go along, get along, 'what's mine is mine' attitude.

If Alinsky had dedicated his book to Jesus, would that make any difference to you?

posted @ Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 16:14

Haas: As congressional candidate, Hice knows what he believes

Additionally, an article appeared in the ABH a few days ago, "US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry", and I invite all of you to let's continue that conversation.

posted @ Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 11:55

Haas: As congressional candidate, Hice knows what he believes

"...."Although Islam has a religious component, it is much more than a simple religious ideology,...It is a complete geo-political structure and, as such, does not deserve First Amendment protection."

This is a typical ignorant 'Christian' slap at Islam; typical because %99.9 of 'Christians' do not understand their own brand of religion - much less Islam.

The Christian ministers who know better are to blame for this kind of 'Christian' ignorance.

posted @ Wednesday, July 30, 2014 - 11:52

Dupuy: Take care of kids at U.S. southern border

"We can not take care of our own. Check DFCS for more information. It's sad, yes, but true."

It's not that we can't; it's that we don't.

Since the Christians do not want to raise taxes it is left to them and their church to take care of needy children or else turn these children lose on the streets to do the best they can.

But then, they'd have to give enough to the church to do the job; which would involve their taking some of these kids into their own homes and raising them....

posted @ Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 16:52

US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry


As to the report of Clarke Clifford, here are the conclusions of his report.

a. "The information thus far available does not reflect that the Israeli high command made a premeditated attack on a ship known to be American.

b. "The evidence at hand does not support the theory that the highest echelons of the Israeli Government were aware of the Liberty's true identity or of the fact that an attack on her was taking place. To disprove such a theory would necessitate a degree of access to Israeli personnel and information which in all likelihood can never be achieved."
However, anyone reading and COMPREHENDING the FULL REPORT sees that everything Clifford say IN THE REPORT CONTRADICTS his conclusions; in short, he shoots himself in his own foot.

c. The weather was clear and calm in the area at the time of attack and throughout the preceding hours of June . Visibility was excellent.

d. At all times prior to the attack the Liberty was flying her normal size American flag (five feet by eight feet) at the masthead. The flag was shot down during the air attack and was replaced by a second American flag (seven feet by thirteen feet) five minutes prior to the attack by motor torpedo boats. The Liberty did not endeavor to hide her identity or her presence in international waters at any time prior to or during the attack.

e. The Liberty's U.S. Navy distinguishing letters and number were printed clearly on her bow. The Liberty's number was painted clearly in English on her stern. (Egyptian naval ships such as the El Quseir, with which the Liberty was allegedly confused, carry their names in Arabic script.)

f. The ship's configuration and her standard markings were clearly sufficient for reconnaissance aircraft and waterborne vessels to identify her correctly as the noncombatant ship Liberty.

g. At the time she was attacked, the Liberty was making only five knots. Her maximum capability is eighteen knots, a fact which had been ascertained by IDF personnel when she was identified on the morning of June 8.

h. Prior to the torpedo attack the Liberty neither received nor dispatched an "A-A" signal. The Israeli claim that the Liberty transmitted an "A-A'1 signal prior to the torpedo attack is demonstrably false. The Liberty's signal light capability was totally destroyed in the air attack which occurred some twenty minutes before the torpedo boats appeared on the scene. Intermittently prior to the attack Liberty personnel observed a flashing light coming from the center boat. The first intelligible signal received by the Liberty was an offer of help following the torpedo attack.

i. The Liberty was reconnoitered by aircraft of unidentified nationality on three separate occasions prior to the attack--5 hours and 13 minutes before the attack, 3 hours and 7 minutes before the attack, and 2 hours and 37 minutes before the attack. Personnel on the Liberty, who observed and in some instances photographed the reconnaissance aircraft, were unable to identify them fully. Positive evidence concerning their nationality is still lacking, however, there are several grounds for assuming they were Israeli: (1) when the aircraft orbited the Liberty on three separate occasions the Arab-Israeli war was in its fourth day, the Egyptian Air Force had been substantially destroyed, and the Israeli Air Force was in effective control of the air space in the area; (2) [ ---- excised ----] received information from a reliable and sensitive Israeli source reporting that he had listened to IDF air-to-ground transmissions on the morning of June 8 indicating Israeli aircraft sighting of a vessel flying the U.S. flag; (3) in the course of advancing its explanation for the attack, the Israeli Government acknowledged that the Liberty had been identified by IDF officers early on the morning of June 8."
A further word about Clifford's conclusions;

Certainly, the US/Johnson is not about to risk the deaths of a "few" American sailors and wipe out American-Israeli relations. The sailors, like the Palestinians, become pawns in the game, nothing more.

Can you understand that?

Also, McNamara ordered Admiral Kidd to report that the attack was an "accident." (This would be the same McNamara who, near his dying days, admitted he lied about winning in Vietnam).

Johnson was sleeze and also said that if he withdrew from Vietnam, he wouldn't get elected to a second term (nor is he the only politician who ever put his political career ahead of the lives of American soldiers).
"Now why don't you answer my question. Why is Hamas sending rockets into Al-Shifa Hospital?"

I do not answer your question because it has nothing to do with the overall discussion here.

"Something strange happened yesterday. NBC News reported that Israel bombed Al Shifa hospital located in the Gaza Strip only to later pull back the report based on statements from the Israeli military. Ayman Mohyeldin, an NBC reporter, claims there is video and pictures to back up the initial account that the attack on the hospital came from an Israeli drone.

"Mohyeldin was the reporter that NBC removed after he reported on the deaths of the children Israel killed on the beach in a way not to the IDF’s liking. After protests were launched from the public Mohyeldin was reinstated.

The removal of Mohyeldin by NBC was seen as emblematic of a pro-Israel bias NBC has repeatedly demonstrated, most recently by its flagship program, Meet The Press, which was caught promoting Israeli propaganda.

"If Mohyeldin’s statements are correct, NBC News took down a report based on its own first hand accounts in favor of Israeli government statements. In other words, NBC News is not actually a news organization."

"The attack, which reportedly killed 10 Palestinians, nine of them children, occurred at five P.M. The Israel Defense Forces released a statement fingering Palestinian rockets in the attack…

"But NBC staff, including Ayman Mohyeldin, the reporter who was sent back to Gaza after being replaced by Richard Engel, say otherwise. “Early reports from the ground had said an Israeli drone appeared responsible for the attack,” NBC’s report on the incident now reads. (An earlier version of the same article, as captured and tweeted by a number of journalists, was more direct: “However, a NBC News journalist witnessed the attack on the hospital and said it had been fired by an Israeli drone.”)

"Either there is evidence in NBC News’ possession that proves an Israeli drone was responsible for the attack, or there is not. A statement by the IDF or Hamas or whomever is secondary to that primary evidence.

"Or are journalists supposed to drop things down the memory hole now when they cover Israel?

"The edits by NBC News on the Al Shifa hospital bombing are receiving interest because they play into a larger narrative not just about NBC but the American corporate media generally – that they are hopelessly pro-Israel to the point of journalistic paralysis. NBC and its mainstream colleagues can not move on stories because they are deathly afraid of being labeled anti-Israel. Which is fine as a corporate strategy, but don’t lie to the public and say you are reporting real news.
Tell us OCC, how much do you trust the major, corporate owned, media?
A further word about Johnson and then I'm done with you.

A LOT of Texans think LBJ ordered the killing of JFK.

Forget Oswald. I am a hunter and there's no way in hell he got off three shots in three seconds using a scope.

The killing was done by the Mafia.

The hit was ordered by rogue members of the CIA.

posted @ Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 10:50

Grimes: Trading Broun for Hice in Congress would be trading thorns for scorpions

@Logical: Thank you.

There is on the local WGAU(?) radio station each week "African Perspectives", plays some good music and has good comments.

One of the commenters from Africa said on one of those shows, "You can find the scum of the earth in every society."

I've not forgotten that.

I guess what keeps us afloat is that our scum is as low as everybody else's and that keeps us kinda even on the playing field.

posted @ Monday, July 28, 2014 - 23:21

US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

By the way; Do you ever question just how? a tunnel as big as you describe, can be built - tunneling into Israel, and not be found by the Israelis before hostilities commence?

Think about it.

posted @ Monday, July 28, 2014 - 22:58

US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

@TeeWee: "Hamas is now receiving longer range rockets from Iran."

And Israel is re-supplied by the U.S.

Fact is, we're building several new military bases in Israel as we speak.

Nor can it be denied that Israel is deliberately killing innocent Palestinians as well in schools and hospitals - which they have enough in military troops to check out these places before they sent rockets into them - if they would.

The U.S. is the cause of this, not for religious reasons, but for middle east oil.

Israel is not innocent, and the Zionists intended from 1947, and even with the Balfour Agreement, via "We are God's chosen people" to establish a land mainly for Jews.

And those good American homeland Christians who believe that seem to be not smart enough to understand it makes them second class.

Israel cannot moan what was done to Jews (and Poles, and Hungarians and Gypsies and the feeble minded - who seem to be 'forgotten') in WW II, and then claim innocence at what they have done to the Palestinians.

But, again, I wish some of you fellows would do some real research and reading on these topics rather than just counting on the mainstream media.

There's a BIGGER picture than this day to day, month to month, 'what's happening today, stuff.

I'm talking decades and hundreds of years.

Check out some of those internet sites I posted above.

posted @ Monday, July 28, 2014 - 22:54

US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

@TeeWee: " Arafat couldn't do this."

Let's not just lay it all on Arafat.

The Israelis, then and now, are willing to have peace, but not return any land they have taken - by whatever means.

(In what way do you mean you "lived through this)?

I lived through it as well - while living in this country....

posted @ Monday, July 28, 2014 - 21:53

US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

[quote][b]OCCountry[/b] - @dahreese: Please explain to me why the Palestinians shot rockets into their own hospital where their people where seeking safety. Still trying to understand why someone kills citizens of their own country.

I'll discuss that with you if you can tell me why President Lyndon Johnson wanted the USS Liberty, while it was being attacked by Israel, to be sent to the bottom of the ocean?

posted @ Monday, July 28, 2014 - 20:55

US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

[quote][b]TeeWee[/b] - @dahreese:
     Look at the maps of the world prior to WWI and then after.  Same is true before and after WWII.   Counties change names, borders change as was the case of the formation of Israel by action of the United Nations.  Many wars have been fought since that time and again, borders change. 
     Nobody on  this page is suggesting  that Israel take over Gaza.  I believe they are trying to reduce the threat from the terrorist organisation Hamas.  This group has been raining rockets on Israeli, terrorists pop out to tunnels and snipe or fire mortars into Israel.   Indeed, I don't believe any Jewish leader in modern times has stated Palestine does not have the right to exist.  No Israeli leader has vowed to crush Gaza or Palestine. I might be wrong, I did t look that up but my memory is pretty good.   Hamas and Iran have vowed to destroy Israel.  
     There was hope for a Palestinian State during the Camp David talks encouraged by President Bill Clinton, Israel and Arafat representing Palestine.  There was great hope, Israel made many concessions and the USA would finance. All Arafat needed to do was to agree and a Palestinian  State would be formed and live at peace side by side with the other countries in the region.  Arafat walked away from this golden opportunity.  
     Like Madeline Albright said, the world is a much more dangerous place.  
"Counties change names, borders change as was the case of the formation of Israel by action of the United Nations. Many wars have been fought since that time and again, borders change."

Does that excuse the UN, the US and England from forcing the Palestinians to absorb Jews?

Will you feel the same way in the future if the UN and other nations force the US to return what it took from Mexico in 1846/47?
Moshe Dyan:

"Never mind that [when asked that Syrians initiated the war from the Golan Heights]. After all, I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plough someplace where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was. I did that, and Laskov and Chara [Zvi Tsur, Rabin's predecessor as chief of staff] did that, Yitzhak did that, but it seems to me that the person who most enjoyed these games was Dado [David Elzar, OC Northern Command, 1964-69]." (Iron Wall, p. 236-237)

"Nobody on this page is suggesting that Israel take over Gaza."

You may not suggest it, but that's exactly what Israel wants. If Israel does not get what it wants from Palestine, it refuses to negotiate - it leaves the table.

Palestinians are treated as second class citizens by the Iraelis - in their own land.

Most conservative Israeli supporters do so for one or two of a few so-called 'reasons'; mostly echoing what they were brought up to believe without questioning;

"Israel is our ally."

"Israel is the only Democracy in the Middle East."

"Jews are God's chosen people."

All three of which are wrong,

Israel was forced on the Palestinians and the land of Palestine.
Again, there is one thing I'm noticing here; again and again;

You and those who agree with you are in such a hurry to 'prove' Israel is in the right.

I suggest things for you to check, and you don't.

You don't take the time to get the whole picture, rather what you're seeing and hearing from the major American media are you sources. For every one Palestinian who gets interviewed for 3 minutes, ten Israelis get interviewed for eight or ten minutes.

And you all swallow it.
The Balfour Declaration (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.[1]
Well, just who are the Zionists and what do they claim?

They are the ultra-fundamentalist Jews who claim that "God" 'gave' them the Palestinian/Jordan land hundreds of years ago (Old Testament).

And if you'll look at the Likud - you'll see the Zionist.

Why is it that one of those Zionist always happens to be the Prime Minister of Israel?
And not all Jews support this war, including in Israel itself.

posted @ Monday, July 28, 2014 - 20:50

US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

[quote][b]crankyyankee[/b] - @dahreese: Unfortunately I was not surprised that your belief system prevented you from reading and comprehending my post...This problem is rather prevalent in America today and sorry to say you are part of the problem as I see it.

I am not a Kerry fan, but Kerry's past is of no use in today's Middle East situation.

What is "prevalent in American today" is American's inability to think outside of what they hear via the major media - all corporately owned (and I'll leave that up to you to see just who owns them) and they aren't about to tell the truth to the American people.

If you want the truth about Israel/Palestine (or almost anything else) you have to go to what is known by conservatives as the "left wing media"; Talking Points Memo, Consortium, Electronic Frontier Foundation, Informed Comment, Al Jazerra, The Guardian, places like that.

"A usual tactic taken by those that cannot think for themselves is to attack the "offending person" as you did when you accused me of believing that there weren't other atrocities other than Mai Lai.

I will withdraw that comment; I suppose you can tell me/us of others.

Your post on Israel is filled with invective because you feel threatened by opposing opinions.

I do not feel threatened by opposing opinions, just opinions formed without total information, especially as regards the establishment of a land of Israel "in Palestine."

Nobody asked the Palestinians what they thought of 'sharing' 'their' land.

The Balfour Agreement itself (Maybe I can expiate my sin above of "accusing" you of not knowing about more than one Mai Lai) clearly states "in the land of Palestine."

"Here is a fact that you didn't spit out, Palestine was an "area" not a state."

Wasn't every "country" over there?

"The Palestinian people while abused by Israel were treated equally poorly by their Arab brothers."

Prior to 1947

"One might say that they were and are being used by their brothers to foster their own ideologies."

Certainly, today, the Palestinians are a pawn in everybody's game including the U.S.

So, am I to turn my face, too, and feel sorry for Israel because the Palestinians are fighting for THEIR land?

"Even this administration considers Hamas a terrorist organization being financed and materially supported by Iran and Qatar (just two of the abusing brothers).

Before you reply to me here, did you look up 'Likud' and 'Irgun?', or just in a hurry to post back to me?

My point being that this 'event' has a long, long history that goes way, way back (and it's tme to eat) and how many of you, you included, have really gone back into history to take a look at the BIG historical picture.

I have.

(Gotta eat).

posted @ Monday, July 28, 2014 - 19:20

Grimes: Trading Broun for Hice in Congress would be trading thorns for scorpions

Of the two Republican candidates, in four years Hice will be the easiest to defeat.

Dious, too.

We can hope by then we might have someone really worth voting for.

posted @ Monday, July 28, 2014 - 17:57

US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

@crankyyankee: "...the amount of civilians medevaced to US hospitals after they were shot or tortured by the VC;"

Do you really believe there was only one Mai Lai massacre committed by U.S. troops?

You probably do.

posted @ Monday, July 28, 2014 - 17:45

US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Pathetic how those of you who are championing the rights of Israelis to take over more and more of Palestine are the same ones who are complaining about illegal aliens coming into this country from Mexico, Central and South America and taking over this country.

Until 1947 there was no land of "Israel", but there was a land of "Palestine."

Most conservative Israeli supporters do so for one or two of a few so-called 'reasons'; mostly echoing what they were brought up to believe without questioning;

"Israel is our ally."

"Israel is the only Democracy in the Middle East."

"Jews are God's chosen people."

All three of which are wrong,

Israel was forced on the Palestinians and the land of Palestine.

But when you don't know history....

You want to talk terrorist?

Look up Irgun.

And every Prime Minister of Israel, save one, has been a member of the Likud.

Look that up to.

posted @ Monday, July 28, 2014 - 17:41

Kingston's Senate loses means less clout for Ga.

"Regardless of their differences, even Democrats gave Kingston credit for putting constituents before politics."

"Tony Center was the Democratic Party chairman for Chatham County in 2005 when he frantically called a Kingston staffer at night after discovering his passport was expired just two days before an overseas trip. Kingston's office called the State Department and Center picked up his new passport the next day."

This is "politics."

posted @ Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 21:20

Tant: Forty-five years ago, world marveled at moon landing

Of interest to liberals, and maybe a few conservatives, the first Apple 2e computer had more power and more memory than all of the computers combined that were used to send the first men to the moon and get them back safely.

And, we'd better be looking at another planet to live on as long as pro-business/anti-environment folks (capitalism at its finest) look at profits first and everything and everyone else is second.

We can't afford Wall Street protestors demanding accountability nor the government looking too closely at big business polluting the environment.

We can't afford the top one percent living on the same level as the rest of us.

posted @ Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 11:14

GOP works to avert Senate upset in Georgia


Georgia Republicans have screwed up big time and will continue to do so as long as they have a Deal.

Get used to Nunn.

She's going to be around awhile - in Washington.

posted @ Sunday, July 27, 2014 - 10:47

GSP troopers getting ready to enforce 'slowpoke' law

[quote][b]OCCountry[/b] - Glad to see the enforcement is starting. Hopefully once they are done on the perimeter they will clear out 316. After my trip back from Atlanta last Saturday I had to pass people in the right lane 6-8 times between Lawrenceville and the Athens Perimeter. Good to know they will be pulling these people over.

You didn't have to pass them if they were doing the speed limit.

You chose to speed.

It's all about you....

posted @ Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 22:49

Chilton: Work remains on financial reforms

" It will require industry input to ensure regulators act in a balanced fashion."

"Industry input" is the problem.

Every 'industry input' makes certain there are no rules to prevent 'it' from making the profits "it" wants to make.

To regulate everybody else's business is ok.

"Balanced fashion" indeed.

posted @ Saturday, July 26, 2014 - 09:08

Israeli fire hits UN facility in Gaza, killing 15

[quote][b]district8er[/b] - @dahreese: Your opinions are as misguided as the Hamas leadership. This is a terrorist organization. Pure and simple. And to say, "If they were here..." Well, if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their @$$ when they hopped. They aren't here defending. They are there terrorizing. And Israel does not war to send a message. They war to win. Hamas started the game. I'm betting Israel finishes it.

Do you seriously think the Likud has been angelic in all of this?

The Likud struck first blood.....since 1947.

posted @ Friday, July 25, 2014 - 18:18

Israeli fire hits UN facility in Gaza, killing 15

[quote][b]Ben Had[/b] - How many Israeli's have died/ how many Palestinians? Why would the Palestinians be unhappy with their situation?
My relatives on my Father's side are Austrian Jews, but that doesn't make me blind to their (Israel's) aggression. You treat people like crap long enough and they will fight back.

It seems that our pro-Israel folks here know little about the history of "Israel" and could care less that they do.

For them there is 'something' about Jewish faith/politics that we are all supposed to bow down.

And if any one of them should respond to this post, it will be all about how 'poor Israel' is being attacked, blah, blah, blah.

And if that is the case they need to go back and read my first sentence in this reply over and over and over and over until it soaks in - if that's possible.

posted @ Friday, July 25, 2014 - 18:15

Insurers to pay $11 million in Georgia rebates

[quote][b]Used2baFreeCountry[/b] - You can bet there will be unintended consequences of this.
There almost always are whenever the government steps in to "help" you.

That's what you get for voting Republican.

posted @ Friday, July 25, 2014 - 16:56

Worst of recession over, outlook bright, Morris CEO says

@CharlesB: I will look into it.

It is the business party that runs this country.

posted @ Friday, July 25, 2014 - 12:05

Worst of recession over, outlook bright, Morris CEO says

@CharlesB: "And dahreese, if you're such a follower of the government controlled mainstream media, why are certain words not allowed to be posted here, yet children can live in sickness and poverty and suffer?"

CharlesB, every conservative on here will tell you that I am NOT a follower/beliver of mainstream media..

I am "one of those people who doesn't read what everybody else is reading and (Oh, Lordy!) one of those people who doesn't think what everybody else is thinking!"

I am one of those horrible "liberals!"

A "progressive!"

A "leftie!", "who doesn't love this country."
"yet children can live in sickness and poverty and suffer?"

I am not one of those persons who understands that a child growing up in these conditions can just change his life, if he just would, and grow up to be a success in life instead of being whipped by life by the age of three.

Just ask any of the conservatives above about me and they'll all tell you I'm on the wrong side of the track.

posted @ Friday, July 25, 2014 - 11:11

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