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[quote][b]mpd0.59[/b] - @xMarauderx: If you had read my comments with an open mind, you would have understood I was correcting comments from @NRAMember about Georgia's Dram Shop Act, which concerns the actions of the server, not the security staff. He was implying a server was only potentially liable if the server failed to check for proper ID. I pointed out a server could still be potentially liable if the patron had proper ID but was noticeably intoxicated and was served anyway. I was pointing out what the law is, not the difficulties or the practicalities of it being implemented. That's your fight, not mine. I've been in bars where a patron was cut off because he was falling out of his chair or getting loud and belligerent. The staff even insisted on calling him a cab to take him home. However, I don't patronize bars that are frequented by a lot of Greek society.
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You either ignored my point or missed it all together. Most people (who work as servers) KNOW it's illegal to serve alcohol to a person who is visibly and obviously intoxicated. My point was referring only to the 'under 21' and the whole FAKE ID topic of the story. I'm saying that in a scenario where a 19 year old walks into a liquor store or bar and presents an ID (fake in this case) which lists them as 21+ years old, the server/clerk IS NOT legally liable for serving to a minor.....but the server/clerk MUST ask to see an ID. Whether or not the patron is already intoxicated is a whole other topic.

@THX1138: As the law is written, if someone underage presents an 'ID' that shows their age is 21 or older, the server or establishment is not liable. The key is that the server actually ASKS to see an ID before they serve the patron. The servers aren't detectives or investigators, meaning they can't always recognize a fake ID. Same goes for clerks/cashiers in liquor stores, convenience stores, etc. So as long as an ID was presented and the DOB says the consumer is 'of age' with all else on the ID not appearing suspicious, no responsibility can be assumed.

Fix the coyote problem, the deer 'problem' will correct itself. I do my part. I kill every coyote that comes within range.

An autopsy will also aide in the investigation of whether or not there are any other signs on the body that might show a struggle or other physical altercation or assault. Anytime there's a homicide, an autopsy is performed on the deceased.

@The Dixie Dove: Surely you don't agree with the nonsense in that blog? I clicked on the link you posted. What a waste of bandwidth! "Cops focus more on people who carry firearms than criminals". That is comical. I'd be willing to bet that over 90% of law abiding citizens who carry...legally...do so in a concealed manner. You'd never know when us legal 'no threat to society' gun toters are packing and when we're not, nor to the cops.

Out of sight = out of mind....until we might save a life. You never know where a cop is going to be. But when seconds count, they're just minutes away. Remember that.

@1hutch: Last time I hauled a load of scrap to one of the well-known scrap yards, I saw a pretty big pile of beer kegs. They are not supposed to accept them, but they do.

@queenarlene: Now days, the liquor stores are getting $50 on the keg deposits from beer companies. You are right, some of the shady ones will offer anywhere from $20-35 per empty keg.....even if you didn't purchase the keg from them initially.

Some of you yahoos can say what you want about the 2nd Amendment. Truth is, if you allow for 2A to be infringed upon, it just paves the way for all other Amendments to be infringed upon. If you give the gov't an inch, they will certainly take a mile. If it weren't for the 2nd Amendment, we would not likely have a 1st Amendment, meaning what you think....and want to speak out about....means NOTHING. It would allow the gov't to silence the ones who speak about what they don't agree with.

Be thankful of our Constitution and the Rights it provides our citizens. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here posting our opinions on the public comment section of a news paper.

3 words.... JUVENILE BOOT CAMP

This is a truly entertaining thread to the story. There's several posting here who've not once done research to look into actual FACTS which can be found easily upon a simple search.

So I'll give some highlights that so many (especially the media) find convenient to leave out.

According to the FBI's Crime database, violent crime is on a DECLINE as a Nation. I've give a great example. In the People's Republic of California, in 2011 there were 1790 murders. Of those ONLY 45 were committed using a rifle (including 'semi-auto loading rifles'). 101 of those 1790 murders were committed by 'hands, fists, feet, etc.

But that's California, right? Let's look at Georgia. In 2011, we had 522 homicides. Only 16 were committed with RIFLES...including semi-auto loading rifles. 61 were committed using 'knives or cutting instruments'.

So out of the hundreds of thousands of semi-auto loading rifles out there, fewer than 3% were used in homicides. And you people think semi-auto rifles are a problem???? CRIMINALS ARE THE PROBLEM.

Another question of the anti-semi-auto-rifle people. Do you have a car that will exceed 85mph? WHY ON EARTH would you own a vehicle that would exceed the highest lawful speed limit? Why do you own a $500 cell phone? Why do you own a flat screen HDTV? See my point?

@FanaticalModerate: I'd have to agree with you on this. I went to Franklin's once to spend my hard earned money on a new firearm. Because I was in my nasty, greasy work clothes, I assume they thought I didn't have a dime to my name. I literally stood in front of the Sig Sauer display case for 25 minutes without one person offering to help. I was 'blown off' when I attempted to gain the attention of 2 different salesmen. People standing in front of the Colts, Rugers, and Taurus pistols were being helped one after another....and I'd been there way longer than nearly everyone of them.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt a couple of years later and went back and received the EXACT same lack of service. I haven't been back and will NEVER set another foot in there. Sporting Arms, Clydes, and Academy for me from now on.

@harrumph: Yep, you simply cannot argue with facts....

Just like Chicago (with the strictest gun laws in America) just recorded their 500th homicide by gun. You tell me, is the problem CRIMINALS or guns?

@Tewise: The armed guard was OFF CAMPUS when the shooting began at Columbine. Upon the security guard's return, he exchanged gunfire outside with Harris (meaning most of the killing was already done).....but the guard missed (from 60 yards away) and Harris ran back into the building. The other LEO that showed up on scene was a motor cycle cop that happened to be in the area when he heard the dispatch for backup. They killed themselves (like Adam Lanza did) when they heard police approaching. That's the point. These monsters don't want to deal with opposition. They look for 'easy targets' where they aren't likely to be met with lethal defensive opposition.

How many gun stores you ever heard of being robbed? How many gun shows (where there are hundreds to thousands of guns) do you hear about a shooting occurring? Do your research and tell me how many bank robberies go down when there's an ARMED security guard on hand vs bank robberies where there's NO guard. Are people insisting it's OK to guard your MONEY with firearms, but not your kids?

As for the nutbag that shot up the theater in Colorado. He made a sworn statement, admitting that he cased out several movie theaters and settled on THIS ONE that had a "no-gun policy". And no you won't ever hear this make the national media because it hurts 'their' agenda to disarm lawfully carrying citizens. Same thing with the recent mall shooting....it was a "no-gun zone".

@Follow the Money: The irony there is that Adam Lanza's mother WAS a gun owner. Every weapon used....including the one that killed her, was bought by and registered to her. Of course guns won't protect you if you're asleep....which she was according to reports. Her son had mental issues, she knew it, she failed to keep her guns locked away from her mentally impaired son, and a LOT of people paid the ultimate price.

Just to be clear: Guns are not dangerous. Maniacs are dangerous. Maniacs WITH guns are extremely dangerous and capable of.....(just watch the news). I myself own several firearms, INCLUDING an AR-15. I, personally am not a threat against society.....and my guns are not a threat to ANYONE. All but one is stored unloaded and locked away. The one that is ALWAYS loaded, but in a safe place is the one I (would) use to protect me and mine.

@1hutch: You have proof/link to that statement? All the reports I've read quotes the coroner as saying he used a pistol to kill his mother and the bulk of the massacre was carried out with the rifle. The rifle was not WITH his body as he ditched it before he used a pistol to take his own life....as the 1st responders were entering the building. Of course there have been conflicting reports since the story 1st hit the media....but since 'most' of the details have been sorted out, it appears he used the rifle at the school.

@airforce: From what I hear (reliable source), he didn't get 'very much' money. While they didn't put an exact figure out there, I'm guessing he's going to prison for < $200.

[quote]Investigators said Loughrey told them he didn't realize there was a bullet still in the chamber. "This happens all too often where people think the gun was empty," Lt. Eric Hermick told The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.[/quote]
This is the VERY REASON you ALWAYS handle every firearm as if it's loaded. He must have never read that memo.

Tragic. Prayers to his family.

@Just me: It's not uncommon for a bullet to 'bounce around' inside your torso if you're shot. This usually happens with sub-par(cheap) ammo of a small caliber like a 9mm . It is also quite possible that the round fragmented if it hit bone and sent the shrapnel in multiple directions......which would technically still be a single bullet that hit all those vital organs.

I heard (from a very reliable source) it was the owner of the store who won. He owns several stores in that region of the state.

Maybe Wal-Mart should put all their merchandise on the front sidewalk from now on for anyone to take???? Would that pacify all the people who think the man should have gotten off with a slap on the wrist? What would have happened to him in a country 'over there'? He MIGHT have lived....but the crackhead would be missing some fingers. I cannot stand a thief. No matter how big or small the item.....nor the value.

And some of you act like the employees and security guard murdered the man. What a freaking joke. I'm positive the fact that he died was purely incidental/accidental. I'd be willing to place a wager that an autopsy shows that he had a heart attack (and drugs in his system). If Wal-Mart fires these employees, they will not get another dime from me or my family... This is the world we've made. You attempt to do what's morally correct, and get punished for the deed.

As a CDL driver, it is his responsibility to be aware of all road signs and height postings....as well as the actual height of his own truck. A lot of these liquor delivery drivers come from Atlanta and/or Augusta and don't know the Athens roads very well. Still, ignorance isn't an excuse because the bridge height is clearly marked before you ever make it that far.

That's actually part of the skills test when you go out with the instructor. They will allow you to drive under a bridge....once you're a few hundred feet on the other side, they will ask you what the height posting was. If you don't know (because you didn't look)....you fail.

If the facility/company outlines a zero tolerance policy against photographs, they were lucky with just suspensions. Kudos to the morgue for upholding the rules. If you give an inch....a lot of people will certainly take a mile.

From what I know about Hank Cheatham, he comes from a pretty 'business smart' family. Apparently the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Seems like a good move on his part. I'm sure Stuffed Burger will do just fine on the Eastside. They offer something a little different than everyone else....and it's pretty good food. Definitely need to try it if you haven't already.

The story says the fight involved ABC's owner.....which is false. The fight wasn't with Mr Patel, who has owned ABC Package for a year now.

For everyone blaming the 'gun control', tell that to the would-be victims and the hero in this internet cafe attempted robbery that happened recently.
http://youtu.be/Mm9o3vhKoF8
(if the video doesn't show, look it up on youtube)

@athensroadmaster: By all means, please state what/where your 'establishment' is so us lawfully toting gun owners can make sure we NEVER enter through your door.

Similarities between insane people will criminal intent is simply that they went haywire. So you're putting the blame on what exactly? Laws? or Guns? Imagine a world where guns were never invented. We would then have anti knife activists instead of anti gun activists.

Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people.