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Most people think our society is about 25% Gay. Fact is, it's less than 4%. When these people are discrminated against it's not because of skin color, ethnicity, religious or political preference, or because they are handicapped or disabled. It is because of sexually deviant behavior.

In 1995 75% of Americans were against the gay agenda. Today, it is said between 53-57% approve. Is it because we have become more enlightened, and made more informed of the facts? No, just the opposite. We have been misinformed of the real facts, and brainwashed by the liberal mainstream media that influenced our thinking with liberaly biased news coverage, TV that pushed against sexual norms through what was labeled as a "sexual revolution," pushed the envelope against all decent, moral norms, and have managed to transform our country into a cesspool of debauchery.

"Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining. They just shine. " -- D. L. Moody

Kelley was among many other things a LIGHTHOUSE.

[quote][b]mcdawg[/b] - Just another propaganda piece from "Prager". "Prager University" is no university at all. It is a propaganda machine run by a "neocon" who wants to legislate Judeo-Christian values --- those dealing with abortion or homosexuality rather than greed and usury.

Groseclose misses the entire point, as do all the other clueless types that fall victim to this nonsense. Our nation's "journalists" debate from the "left" or the "right" on the issues laid in front of the American public. The problem is th[/quote]

It wouldn't matter if Prager was an elementary school. He quantitative analysis is right on target. Your previous post was to a video that was filled with nothing but rhetoric offering no analysis or evidence to back his claims.

[quote][b]mcdawg[/b] - The current big lie is that the economy is turning around and home financing and home prices are picking up! That is the line, but you will not see any substantive analysis on this topic in the mainstream media[/quote]

Not the "mainstream media", but it is repeatedly discussed on conservative shows. They continuously report with good analysis how the "recovery" is undermined by the continiung devaluation of the dollar, how we're headed toward high inflation rates never before seen in this nation, how the TRUE unemployment rate is severely higher that what the numbers suggest, and how we're for all practical purposes walking on the Titanic.

This video does a very good job of putting it all in perspective.

[quote][b]Shalmaneser[/b] - It's not like anyone's saying the guy shouldn't be prosecuted for it, or that it'd be a difficult conviction. I just don't think it's screaming in all caps material.[/quote]

And, what does scream in bold caps to you? Anything that has any conscience to it? I doubt it seriously. Maybe some of these murdered newborns should be dropped on your doorstep. Then, maybe you'd get the picture.

You liberals have swallowed so many lies for so long you don't what the truth is. Liberals in this nation are little more than socialists dressed in the clothing of a free republic. They're wolves in sheep's clothing. They are busy at work tearing apart every good foundation this country was built on. Why don't you just all move to France?

[quote][b]mcdawg[/b] - The myth of the "liberal" media exposed![/quote]

I don't know that I have heard anyone speak that is more full it than that guy. He doesn't know a donut from a hole in the ground. Some of the most brainless footage I've ever listened to.

Here, feast on this. It totally refutes eveything that idiot you pointed to says.

[quote][b]Shalmaneser[/b] - What makes you think we're being brainwashed by the media? What if the media are responding to what the readers think is significant- eyes drive ad revenue, after all, and if people don't heavily read articles on botched abortions and medical malpractice associated with it, there's no point in giving those topics heavy coverage, no?[/quote]

The liberal media is called liberal why? Because it's liberal. Look at Benghazi. The only people giving it coverage for months was the conservatives like O'Reilly, Hannity, VanSursten, etc. on Fox. Looked at their ratings compared to CNN, MSNBC, Madlow, Anderson Cooper, Chris Matthews, etc. They're headed in opposite directions. The former is up, the latter is down. And, the ones that are down are struggling terribly to turn around. It ain't going to happen until the start covering it like they should. It's not even close. Your premise holds no water. Like is I said you've been brainwashed.

By the way all the major liberal papers are struggling as well. Think that might tell you something? Nope, too brainwashed.

Worse, not one of you liberals here has made a comment about how horrible these murders are to these newborn babies - not one. More evidence of the brainwashing, and the HEARTLESS mindset liberals have. Bunch of heartless sickos is what you people are.

click here for ratings stats. It's not even close.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/05/17/cable-news-ratings-for-thurs...

[quote][b]THX1138[/b] - And it's not like homosexuality is an airbourne virus or anything. It's a shame that so many people in our society are terrified of what they don't understand.[/quote]

It may not be airborn, but HIV is in 1 out of 4 active homosexuals according to the Center for Disease Control. If we can pull food from the produce section, and quarantine the herd that might be carrying the bacteria, can we not do something to reign those in that don't give a hoot in hell who they pass HIV to? To date HIV has killed over 300,000 people in America.

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] - What I want is clear information that shows wrong-doing and who is to blame[/quote]

We're getting there, EJ. It takes time. Whatever the outcome it doesn't take away from the fact there is corruption on both sides. We can rest assured of that. Neither side is lilly white.

It is very clear, however, that the IRS has gone way over the edge. Leaders on both sides see this, and are incensed. It is also very clear that it was politically motivated for it targeted conservatives, and non-profit conservative organizations, and it was widespread. People were even being asked about the content of their prayers as a form of profiling. It's outrageous.

That said, if it is discovered that Obama knew about any of this as it was happening, and reponsible in some way for ANY of it - he's out. He won't survive it just like Nixon didn't. Problem is with the current plight of this nation I'm not sure we can survive something like this at this time.

[quote][b]mcdawg[/b] - @King Minos[/quote]

Thank You!

[quote][b]King Minos[/b] - One wonders how long it might take to rebuild business and consumer confidence, in the future, if world citizens see and feel another collapse in the next few years or months?[/quote]

One wonders what this has to do with the topic of this thread. Please take up your extreme tangent, and begin another thread to discuss it. Let this thread remain on topic, please.

[quote][b]Anonymous Dude[/b] - In quoting the Daily Mail, ask yourself:
Would you source a post based on the National Enquirer?
Inquiring minds want to know...[/quote]

Admit I'm lost on what your point is. This info originated from here:
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/05/15/another-gosnell-report-shows-texas-ab...

Are you inferring that this info is not legitimate, or somehow fabricated? Do you think the same about Gosnell just convicted for 1st degree murder of three newborns in his abortion clinic? Which, of course, gained very little attention by the liberal media.

This inquiring mind would like to know.

[quote][b]jlscott[/b] What is it?[/quote]

It's not worth repeating.

Is AthensTalk really going to allow this kind of sick post to remain here? Get this thing off of here, and ban this member from the forum immediately.

[quote][b]Shalmaneser[/b] - It made the A-section of the New York Times. Are you asking why the "liberal media" doesn't actually play the story up more?[/quote]

That's hardly even a mention. It's one paragraph. No comments from the employees who tell of scores of babies born alive with the doctor piercing the baby's head to kill him, babies dropped in toilets alive, in the hallway alive only to be placed in a trash bag to suffocate and kill them, the doctor inserting his thumb into their throat to kill them, etc. etc.

It happened everyday there. Scores of the HORROR MURDERS. It gets one paragraph in the NY Times, and you act as if this is proper coverage. No mention on the liberal nightly news cast. These are BABIES being MURDERED, and no mention at all.

Just shows how HEARTLESS the liberal media is, and how successful they have been at brainwashing our society into an unconscionable state of mind.

Your tepid response is typical of the unconscionable state of mind that now exist. My guess is you didn't spend the time to watch the video at the link provided. Because MURDERING YOUNG BABIES probably doesn't bother you at all. You certainly made no mention of it bothering you. Therefore, it's obvious you stand with the HEARTLESS liberal media in America.

As one person once said. "Too bad those who stand for abortion weren't aborted themselves. Had they been we wouldn't be seeing these horrors unfold. Horrors that have been going on for decades."

Get a conscience, and take a stand against these HORROR MURDERS instead of defending the liberal media as giving proper coverage on this issue when they never have since it all began.

Just as a start I tried to place the Youtube video at the link here, but it was censored by AthensTalks, (LibsTalks), when the video has no graphic footage in it at all. Only employees giving first hand knowledge of what occurred.

That should tell you all you need to about the suppression underway by the liberal media . It happens right here. They'll probbaly censor these comments.

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] - How many times did it take for you to swallow all that garbage you have regurgitated? Like they say, if you hear something often enough, you begin to believe it[/quote]

Said earlier to avenger, and now copy to you:
Obama could should show up at your house, rob you at gunpoint, turn around later and deny he did it, and you would believe him.

Further, in case you are unaware many of the most die-hard liberals are becoming very uneasy about the Obama administration, and beginning to distance themselves.

Columnist Peggy Noonan aptly states, "We are in the midst of the worst Washington scandal since Watergate. The reputation of the Obama White House has, among conservatives, gone from sketchy to sinister, and, among liberals, from unsatisfying to dangerous. No one likes what they're seeing. The Justice Department assault on the Associated Press and the ugly politicization of the Internal Revenue Service have left the administration's credibility deeply, probably irretrievably damaged. They don't look jerky now, they look dirty. The patina of high-mindedness the president enjoyed is gone.

Something big has shifted. The standing of the administration has changed.

As always it comes down to trust. Do you trust the president's answers when he's pressed on an uncomfortable story? Do you trust his people to be sober and fair-minded as they go about their work? Do you trust the IRS and the Justice Department? You do not.

Check that: EJ and Avenger do -- blind as they are.

for the complete article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732358290457848746047924779...

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - You keep reiterating the same things over and over. It's like talking to someone who keeps repeating what they've been instructed to say.[/quote]

Repetition is the mother of learning. The question is how many times does it have to be repeated before you get it?

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - What evidence? You still haven't shown any. All I've got from you are talking points from the right[/quote]

Have you had a lobotomy? What about the twelve talking points altered over and again by the State Dept that is now being said Obama had to see before going public. Those are the talking points being centered on, not those reporting them.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - When people compare the IRS scandal to Watergate they can't show the connection between Obama and the IRS like the connection between Nixon and the IRS.[/quote]

It takes a little more time that what we've had to tie it all together, but it's coming.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - When people rant about the Benghazi attack and demand that heads roll where were the heads that rolled after 9/11 or the other attacks against embassies and consulates from 9/11 and the end of Bush's administration?[/quote]

Stiil trying to take what MAY have happened in the past to justify what is going on now. Two wrongs don't make a right. You stttttiiillllllll don't get it.

Hope is but all gone now.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Just as I suspected, a lot of verbiage but no proof. And quite a lot of personal attacks. You are a testament to the uninformed.[/quote]

Well, avenger, when you continue like you to do to ignore ALL the evidence that is already out there, and put before you over and again it gives little room except to say things that might wake you up. I've just about lost all hope.

In regard to being uninformed think it might be obvious to even the most casual observer with my posts in this, and other threads how uninformed I am on these issues -- vs what you have "informed" us of in your posts?

I would say you can't be serious, but you are -- which helps to make my point more clearly.

[quote][b]avenger[/b] - Please show me evidence that Obama had ANYTHING to do with the IRS targeting conservative groups. I'll await your post[/quote]

You have to have either just been born, or you are the most naive person that ever lived. In case you are unaware, (and how you could not be with post after post here and all over the web), almost 100% of the targeting by the IRS was into conservative camps, and/or non-proft organizations that had a conservative leaning for over two years at least, probably more.

They were asked about it repeatedly, and denied it especially before the election when conservative groups were trying to bring it to the forefront. And, you want to suggest that Obama knew nothing about any of this. Just as you will look at video that shows every flip flop Obama made regarding the Benghazi scandal, and say there is no pertinent evidence.

You're so deeply blinded and brainwashed by the liberal media machine that you obviuosly will never see the forest because of the trees.

Another story soon to surface is how car dealerships under the stimulus package were taken away if the owners were known to be conservatives - regardless of how successful they were.

However, what good is any of this to tell you. Obama could should show up at your house, rob you at gunpoint, turn around later and deny he did it, and you would believe him.