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Sigma Chi eyes downtown Athens for frat house

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] - Thank you but you are thinking of Margaret Mitchell[/quote]

I stand corrected. Thank you.

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 20:27

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Arnold Friend[/b] - is certainly not coming from the left.[/quote]

You got that right.

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 14:18

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[quote][b]davidxto[/b] - And nothing has changed. Just this week someone sent me a newspaper clipping of a Florida chapter of Pikes who lost its charter for Facebook photos.[/quote]

If Doc Eldridge isn't careful he could lose his "charter", (JOB), for doing the same. Won't bother me one bit. No one is indispensable as it appears he thinks he is.

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 13:44

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[quote][b]davidxto[/b] - On this subject I will take the courageous stand to oppose them as I wish I had opposed the systemic juvenility of the fraternity that I finally had the good sense to deactivate from some 45 years ago.[/quote]

Here's a good post along those lines from EJ on the Sigma Chi's article on their maneuvering for their next hangout.

From EJ:

"Margaret Mead was pointedly declined by sororities in the early 1920s. She didn't wear the right clothes and walked in a way they didn't care for. This was their criteria. She was highly intelligent, creative, deeply caring and supportive of others, highly organized, energetic and very social. But she wasn't good enough to be accepted; she walked funny. I wish I had the time to copy her comments here on this part of her life from her autobiography "Blackberry Winter". Fortunately, many others did recognize her value, but the sting of rejection on the basis of such trivia angered her deeply and awakened in her sympathy and understanding regarding all acts of discrimination. Perhaps it was a good experience for her in view of her anthropological quests."

I added that sadly not much has changed in that regard. Might be worse today than it was then.

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 13:39

Sigma Chi eyes downtown Athens for frat house

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] - Margaret Mead [/quote]

Just saw this link posted on the home page of AJC about Gone With the Wind. Kind of timely. Thought you might enjoy it.

http://www.ajc.com/gallery/classifieds/real-estate/photos-inside-gone-wi...

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 13:30

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]snarkydude[/b] - Re: the pic in the link you posted:

It's a kid. Kids do things. We take pictures of kids doing things. The connotations we put on those pictures are ours, not the child's. You can choose to be offended, or you can choose not to be offended.[/quote]

As a former Mayor of Athens, and current Pres of the Athens Chamber, Doc Eldridge has a choice to make as well. He can choose not to exploit the pic of a YOUNG boy photoshopped with a Georgia G making a vulgar, obscene gesture all to get a laugh.

I'm not laughing, but Doc must still be because he has refused repeated requests to remove it from his Facebook page for almost two years. He CHOSE to put the pic in a public forum on the Internet. Therefore, he should be given a public reprimand, forced to remove the pic as well as forced to make a public apology, and perhaps forced to resign.

As for you it's apparent you have a reprobate mind, and carry abject insensitivity to the fact that a young boy, young child, or anyone should never ever be exploited by any public figure to get a laugh - especially one giving the finger. That said, it appears Doc Eldridge is a BIRDdawg, not a BULLdawg, and shares your mindset.

Finally, Snarkydude certainly seems to be an appropriate username for you.

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 13:00

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[quote][b]snarkydude[/b] - From reading your post, I'm wondering:
either,
1. you weren't invited to join a frat, or
2. you got "blackballed",

which was it?[/quote]

Wish it had been both.

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 12:47

Sigma Chi eyes downtown Athens for frat house

[quote][b]E.J.[/b] - She didn't wear the right clothes and walked in a way they didn't care for. This was their criteria.[/quote]

EJ, Sadly, nothing much has changed in that regard. If anything it's worse today than it was in the 20's.

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 12:44

Sigma Chi eyes downtown Athens for frat house

[quote][b]Fred III[/b] - We were all naïve fools as freshmen[/quote]

How wrong you are. I knew far too many freshmen, friends of mine in high school, who were not blind or naive, saw what I couldn't see, and obviously you still can't see. They stayed clear. I only wish they had reached out to drag me away. My life would have been much the better for it. I could have used my gifts for good, positive influence on the lives of others instead of being influenced to influence others in the opposite direction.

[quote][b]Fred III[/b] - The punchbowl would be filled and refilled with a recipe of vodka, bourbon, wine, beer, whatever the bros could dump in from their secret stashes under the back seats. Highlight of the evening would be when some popular idiot, probably like you, would stick their head into the punchbowl and then barf, then cut himself on the broken glass, which for some reason seemed hilarious. Then we'd all rush the girls back to their cages and try for a quick makeup-smeared tobacco-breath makeout, then weave back to the House and eat stale Hardeeburgers while watching scratchy educational Health movies til it was time to start sleeping in til the next afternoon's hangover. Ah, the halcyon days! [/quote]

Spoken like a true GREEKSTER. Your idea of a halcyon day has an odd twist to it.

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 12:18

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[quote][b]hang em high[/b] - yeah...it sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. either that or you pledged 50 years ago and no one liked you so you left and have been bitter since...just cause you don't/can't belong doesn't mean it's a bad thing. get over yourself.[/quote]

Believe me, I wish I didn't know what I was talking about, and that they had run me off for any number of reasons including not liking me. However, I was a gung ho KA, well liked, recruited like a mad man, and became a ring leader of the shenanigans that went on there. Two years after leaving was told I was held in 'high esteem', and regarded as a 'legend' for the things I did. Cannot begin to say in words how it grieves me to know that was the case.

As said, the videos on page one of this thread make the point. Maybe you, like many others see nothing bad in it. I obviously don't agree. I think it's horrific, and is a widespread representation of their behavior and conduct when they gather to party.

If what exposed in these threads are successful at getting just one to look past the facades and pretense of what does really go on there, and get out then it will have all been well worth it.

For more evidence of the lasting influence these kinds of places can have on people take a gander at this pic posted on Facebook by Doc Eldridge, former Mayor of Athens, and current Pres of the Athena Area Chamber of Commerce. He was a KA when I was.

Of course, you might find nothing wrong with this pic. If you don't that only reveals what side of the fence you're really on, and why you posted the comment you did.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150376759124306&set=a.10150122...

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 11:28

Sigma Chi eyes downtown Athens for frat house

[quote][b]Fred III[/b] - We had a guy like that in my fraternity. Can't imagine why he joined - it's not like the Draft - but everyone was glad when he dodged out, of the fraternity, I mean.[/quote]

No imagining here. I joined because I was a simple minded, naive fool at the time. Unfortunately, I became a ring leader in the shenanigans that went on at the KA house. Two years after leaving a member still there told me I had become a legend as a result.

Cannot began to express how it grieves me to know that. What I would give to have those years back, and instead of being surrounded by bad influences that led me to influence others similarly, be led by good, clean, decent influences.

Don't be a GREEKSTER! There's no true virtue found in it regardless of what they'll tell you to make you believe otherwise.

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 07:08

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass[/b] - There's no video. No link.[/quote]

It wouldn't post. My guess is you can't post the same video twice in the same thread. You can see the videos on page one.

[quote][b]Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass[/b] - None of the links work. That's the definition of broken.

You don't go live with a developing site; you stay with the old design until the new one is ready.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with the links not working. There's no link attached to the tabs at this time. Things aren't always what they appear to be. There's a reason for leaving it live as is at this time.

Snodgrass, in all due respect as I said before this is an exercise of futility with you. Unless there is evidence a breakthrough has occurred with you I don't see myself responding to anymore comments of yours.

posted @ Tuesday, September 3, 2013 - 06:47

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass[/b] - Yes. They aren't representative, in my experience. You present nothing to show otherwise.[/quote]

This time look hard at what's taking place in the video below, Snodgrass. They're all participating in vulgar, lewd proclamations to TENN. Guys and girls all.

Of course, you would argue that's an isolated, rare case, and doesn't reflect the widespread attitude and behavior of Greeks when they gather to party. Just as you don't think Doc Eldridge echos the same attitude and behavior of the Greeks when he posted a pic on Facebook of expressing the exact same sentiments after a UGA/FL football game exploitng a young boy to do so.

I get it. You don't want the truth nor are you willing to accept it when it's staring you in the face. You just want to argue for argument's sake. Trying to get you to acknowledge the truth is an exercise in futility.

(My web site is being re-designed - not broken.)

Watch the video closely. No one is abstaining.

posted @ Monday, September 2, 2013 - 22:32

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass[/b] - There, you said it yourself - not representative of the situation as a whole.

Your cherry-picked evidence really isn't compelling.[/quote]

First, you say I have no facts, I present them to you, and you ignore the facts I present only to claim I cherry picked them.

I'll guess here again that you had no involvement in Greek life, and have not researched the facts yourself. Further, your claim earlier that this nation wasn't founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic is also wrong. You can do your own research to better educate yourself of the facts concerning that. I'll not waste my time to present them to you because you would just ignore those facts as well.

posted @ Monday, September 2, 2013 - 14:02

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass[/b] - You guess wrong. But then, as we've read here, correct assumptions aren't your strong suit.[/quote]

It wasn't an 'assumption'. It was a guess. Glad I guessed wrong.

posted @ Monday, September 2, 2013 - 13:48

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass[/b] - Oh, really? What office does he hold?[/quote]

He holds the office of President of the Athens Area Chamber of Commerce, was former Mayor of Athens, and was and maybe still is on the board of Trustees at UGA.

Of course, it's obvious your only goal is to subvert the point being made by drawing attention to some insignificant technical error that maybe found in calling him a public official when serving as President of the Chamber might not technically be defined as such. Nevertheless, due to the position he now holds, and others he has held he is a public figure, a front positioned representative of Athens as President of the Athens Chamber, and has absolutely no business posting that kind of pic on the Internet.

However, by virtue of the tenor of your other posts my guess is you're laughing along with all his frat brothers.

posted @ Monday, September 2, 2013 - 12:08

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass[/b] - In other words, you have no facts, other than your own imagination to update 40-year-old ideas.

Keep digging...[/quote]

In other words
, you skipped right past the videos in my posts above that gives but a slight glimpse of the FACTS, i.e., the insidious behavior carried on by Greeks today - not in the 70's. My guess is, however, is that none of that behavior causes you any concern, and you probably find it amusing - not troublesome.

posted @ Monday, September 2, 2013 - 11:57

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass[/b] - So your relevant experience is forty years old.[/quote]

With the level of debauchery now at work in our society only the naive would believe it's not any worse today than it was in the 70's.

posted @ Sunday, September 1, 2013 - 21:50

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Bill Crane[/b] - I do know where the KA HQ offices are though, and I'm sure they would be happy to accept your voluntary withdrawal paperwork, and remove you from their rolls[/quote]

1. Did this years ago. If you were closely reading my post you would have seen this.

2. You're mistaken. Robert E. Lee did NOT help found the KA Frat. He was chosen by KA as their spiritual founder. Robert E. Lee never had any official, personal affiliation with KA nor gave any consent to KA to use his name. They did it on their own.

3. A flip about Doc Eldridge post on Facebook? He is exploiting a young boy photoshopped, and making obscene gestures to get a laugh. He is a public official, and put it in a public domain on the Internet under his name where he has a large following. What kind of man would dare put that on the Internet, and then ignore it when it is called to his attention, and arrogantly refuse to remove it? A sick man. If you're an Athenian you're should be calling it to his attention, and asking him to remove it as well.

4. I don't hate or vilify all Greeks. It's a systemic problem, and the system influences people against good, sound judgment.

5. A "few" National Greek organizations that "may" look the other way? You're exposing your naivete, gullibility, and ignorance on a very grand scale with that comment.

6. It would be hard for anyone to say what I seek to do is done in anonymity. Did you not see my name at the end of the last post? I have confronted the County Commissioners on this issue before openly. They remain as blind today as they were then.

7. When your influence is gone from your frat it will revert to what it was before you invested your energy and time to make it better. It's still a fraternity. Perhaps it would be best if you removed it from the Greek system, and made it totally interdependent. If you don't by virtue of the Greek's long standing tradition it will eventually succumb to the influences it is surrounded by.

8. Just the fact there is a secret ritual gives me all the pause that I need in regard to the kind of organization you lead. I don't need a secret ritual to tell me about the Good Samaritan. It's in the Bible for anyone to see.

Finally, you're wasting your time with your invitation. You can paint over the stripes of the zebra, but it's still a zebra.

Pal Madden

posted @ Sunday, September 1, 2013 - 21:41

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass[/b] - Mind if I keep this for recycling in the Comments again?[/quote]

No, you can use my comments anytime. Mr. Snodgrass. (-;

posted @ Sunday, September 1, 2013 - 16:17

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]Bill Crane[/b] - If your mind is still willing to perceive fact and reality, and not just be poisoned by your own perceptions and pre-dispositions, then we look forward to hosting you as our guest.[/quote]

Bill, I have no desire to venture into your frat house. I have far too often heard this claim of "high character" by fraternities only to see it surface that they are not at all what they claim to be. I am all too familiar with what goes on behind the scenes regardless of the put on of facades and pretense. It starts in their rush period, and never ends. You don't think the movie, "Animal House", and "Frat Party" came about without the Greek system having well earned that reputation, do you?

In addition, I added no captions or titles to the posted Youtube videos as you suggest. However, I had little doubt finding something like this would be easy, and it was. It was all I could do to keep food in my stomach when watching. That said, I do not hate people who are part of the Greek system. I hate what it stands for, and those videos are very reflective of the subtle, powerful, negative influences the Greek system has.

I was a part of the Greeks at UGA in the seventies. I was a KA, and we were regarded as one of the "top" fraternities on campus. What gained that "honor" was mostly due to being great partiers. How often we were placed on probation, and how much alcohol we could hold added to that "honor".

I watched my big brother fall off the back of his horse in the Old South Parade, hit his head of the street curb, and knocked unconscious. It was a miracle it didn't kill. After taking my coat off, and placing it under his head, I watched in disbelief as some of his drunken best friend "brothers" screamed at him to get up because he was ruining the parade. An ambulance was called, the parade was called off, and my big brother was in the hospital for quite awhile. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There are stories every year of frat boys killed from hazing, binge drinking gone out of control, orgies taking place, drugs, etc.

You said, "Greeks comprise roughly 25 percent of the student body at UGA, but are a distinctly significant majority of the leadership of most of our governmental bodies, our nation's military and even the most generous and regular donors to their alma mater...so though I know you will be hard to be convinced otherwise, there is a bit more to us than games of beer pong, chug a lug and shouts of "take it off."

I care less what percentage of students at UGA or anywhere else are in the Greek system. How many people are involved in an organization has nothing to do with how much virtue it has. And, since my convictions run strong to its overall negative influence I see little virtue gained by being a part of it. I believe the more who stay clear the better it will be for all. Further, it saddens me that anyone would see honor in having a frat house named after him.

If you'll look at our culture you'll see we're drowning in debauchery. Look at what's on TV, in the theaters, what's taught in the schoolroom, the total lack of respect for authority, etc. 50,000,000 children have been murdered through abortion. Not to mention we're $16 TRILLION in debt.

That said, thanks for helping me understand a very big part of the problem we face. We simply have too many frat boys in positions of leadership. They took their twisted minds coupled with their ability to persuade and influence people, and are leading this nation into the toilet.

Joining the KA fraternity was one of, if not the biggest mistake in my life. It's becoming apparent that letting men that were part of the Greek system, and not ever having renounced its influence in their lives --- to lead and govern our nation and businesses makes my point even further.

Finally, if you're a man of any real virtue help me in getting Doc Eldridge, current president of the Athens Area Chamber of Commerce to remove the pic at the link below. He's ignored numerous requests to do so for almost two years now. So have his cohorts at the Chamber. Doc Eldridge was a KA when I was, and it's very apparent the influence he received as a KA weighs heavily in his life today.

And, this man is soon to receive some sort of "social justice" award? If he wants real social justice he'll begin by removing this pic that exploits a young boy giving the finger so Doc can gain a laugh. Who's laughing? None more than his immature KA frat brothers, and those who think like them.

Sincerely,
Pal Madden

doc pic: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150376759124306&set=a.10150122...

posted @ Sunday, September 1, 2013 - 16:10

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Bill Crane, is that what you're bringing to your new location? Just a little behind the scenes look at what frat life is really about, and the kind of men you're really producing.

posted @ Sunday, September 1, 2013 - 12:18

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

[quote][b]puremutt[/b] - jealous much?[/quote]

Really? Of what? Standing in a drunken crowd screaming fouled mouth obscenities, and giving the finger at an opposing football team? Of one upsmanship thinking one is better than another by virtue on the Greek letters on their chest? Is that what you think "higher education" is - the kind of behavior UGA should be sanctioning? Is that the kind of thing that turns you own? If so perhaps it's time to exile you as well.

posted @ Sunday, September 1, 2013 - 11:52

Frat house compromise helps fraternity and city

Exile the GREEKSTERS

What is a GREEKSTER? A GREEKSTER is someone belonging to a club or organization where the membership is based on superficial elements of a person's character. Your acceptance into a Greekster organization is determined by how well you "measure up" to the following.

1. Are you physically "attractive", i.e., "handsome" or "pretty", (by their pre-determined standards)?
2. Does your daily attire match up with the attire worn by those in the club?
3. How "popular" are you?
4. Do you come from a "good" family?
5. How well can you "party"?
6. Are you "attractive" to the opposite sex?
7. Are you desired by other clubs or organizations of the same kind?
8. What is your financial wherewithal, i.e., do you come from a family of wealth and social "status"?
9. Will you benefit the GREEKSTER club by attracting other like kind into the organization?

Official acceptance typically comes by being voted in by existing members of the GREEKSTER organization. Typically, the seven superficial elements listed above are the criteria used for existing members to determine if the prospect is "worthy" of consideration. After sufficient discussion amongst the "brotherhood" or "sisterhood" the prospect is put to a vote.

To vote, GREEKSTER organizations typically "pass the box" on a new prospect. Passing the box is carried out by passing a small box with white and black marbles around to each member in a formal GREEKSTER meeting. Each member votes on the prospective member by placing either a white or a black ball in the box. White means you're in, and black means you're out.

To place a marble in the box requires each member to lift a veil covering the box. This protects the privacy of their vote. After all, who wants their "brother" to know they don't approve of a friend in that another "brother" that wants his friend to be accepted.

After lifting the veil each member secretly looks in to seize either a white or black marble to cast their vote. In many organizations all it takes is one blackball, and the prospective member is not given acceptance into the club. GREEKSTER organizations typically allow a prospect three votes to 'pass the box'. If the prospect is blackballed three times they are no longer considered for membership.

I was a member of one of these frats, regretted it, and eventually renounced my affiliation. The fact Kathy Hoard in tow with the city council would unanimously back these animals houses saying it is a "good thing" for Athens is appalling.

The UGA frat party video below goes a long way in making my point.

Exile the GREEKSTERS!

posted @ Sunday, September 1, 2013 - 10:19

Sigma Chi eyes downtown Athens for frat house

Exile the GREEKSTERS

What is a GREEKSTER? A GREEKSTER is someone belonging to a club or organization where the membership is based on superficial elements of a person's character. Your acceptance into a Greekster organization is determined by how well you "measure up" to the following.

1. Are you physically "attractive", i.e., "handsome" or "pretty", (by their pre-determined standards)?
2. Does your daily attire match up with the attire worn by those in the club?
3. How "popular" are you?
4. Do you come from a "good" family?
5. How well can you "party"?
6. Are you "attractive" to the opposite sex?
7. Are you desired by other clubs or organizations of the same kind?
8. What is your financial wherewithal, i.e., do you come from a family of wealth and social "status"?
9. Will you benefit the GREEKSTER club by attracting other like kind into the organization?

Official acceptance typically comes by being voted in by existing members of the GREEKSTER organization. Typically, the seven superficial elements listed above are the criteria used for existing members to determine if the prospect is "worthy" of consideration. After sufficient discussion amongst the "brotherhood" or "sisterhood" the prospect is put to a vote.

To vote, GREEKSTER organizations typically "pass the box" on a new prospect. Passing the box is carried out by passing a small box with white and black marbles around to each member in a formal GREEKSTER meeting. Each member votes on the prospective member by placing either a white or a black ball in the box. White means you're in, and black means you're out.

To place a marble in the box requires each member to lift a veil covering the box. This protects the privacy of their vote. After all, who wants their "brother" to know they don't approve of a friend in that another "brother" that wants his friend to be accepted.

After lifting the veil each member secretly looks in to seize either a white or black marble to cast their vote. In many organizations all it takes is one blackball, and the prospective member is not given acceptance into the club. GREEKSTER organizations typically allow a prospect three votes to 'pass the box'. If the prospect is blackballed three times they are no longer considered for membership.

I was a member of one of these frats, regretted it, and eventually renounced my affiliation. The fact Kathy Hoard in tow with the city council would unanimously back these animals houses saying it is a "good thing" for Athens is appalling.

The video below goes a long way in making my point.

Exile the GREEKSTERS!

posted @ Sunday, September 1, 2013 - 10:16

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